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Old 12-26-2017, 05:37 PM   #141
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It applies to documented vessels only as there is no requirement or provision for naming of other boats. Non-documented vessels are identified by their numbers.
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How many of us have documented vessels?
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Old 12-26-2017, 05:45 PM   #142
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How many of us have documented vessels?
Just for you, poll started.

http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...els-36223.html

My guess is that at least 1/3 of the people here have a documented vessel. Some because they do a lot of international cruising, some because they financed part of the boat cost, some because they don't like numbers on their hull.
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Old 12-26-2017, 06:13 PM   #144
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Thank you BandB,
My guess is about half that but add that many may see the documented vessel as some kind of status elevatiion as it’s a big boat thing. And it just occured to me a higher level of “trawlerism”.
Will be interesting. I’ll go vote.
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Old 12-26-2017, 06:51 PM   #147
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Thank you BandB,
My guess is about half that but add that many may see the documented vessel as some kind of status elevatiion as it’s a big boat thing. And it just occured to me a higher level of “trawlerism”.
Will be interesting. I’ll go vote.
Not necessarily a "Big boat thing" . as smaller boats get pricier, banks and other lenders like (require) boats to be documented because of first ships preferred mortgage trumps all liens except seamans wages and salvage liens. Like a house deed, its easily tracked with cradle to grave ownership info,unlike state registered craft .
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Thank you BandB,
My guess is about half that but add that many may see the documented vessel as some kind of status elevatiion as it’s a big boat thing. And it just occured to me a higher level of “trawlerism”.
Will be interesting. I’ll go vote.
I think very few do it for status elevation. For us it's easy and simple and, when we sell, it gives a good solid history.
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Make it easy on the bridge operator LOL
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Thank you BandB,
My guess is about half that but add that many may see the documented vessel as some kind of status elevatiion as it’s a big boat thing. And it just occured to me a higher level of “trawlerism”.
Will be interesting. I’ll go vote.

Where the heck did that come from? Got nothing to do with it. Mine is Registered, Canada, which is very similar to your Documented.

T'was done by the P.O. I was told because he recognized the builder was in financial trouble. The Registration protected HIS assets even if they went bankrupt. Didn't mean there wasn't going to be some questions but to get that Registration meant the engine, the gear, the hull and a myriad of other parts bought for that boat belonged to that boat and that boat was his.
Other wise the boat would have just gone into the winds as bankruptcy assets.

They did complete his , now my boat, but the next guy who did the same thing had to get his boat finished elsewhere. But he did get it and would not have were it not Registered.
I knew him so we talked as we had sister ships.

Lots of valid reasons for a Registration/Documentation.

Further more there is only one Island Pride Registered in my Registry area.
There may be others Registered elsewhere but no where near my Registry port.

It also makes lien tracing easier which is good for purchasers and sellers.
Just a bit of a pain if you wish to change the name and a bit more paper work when the boat is sold.
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Where the heck did that come from? Got nothing to do with it. Mine is Registered, Canada, which is very similar to your Documented.

T'was done by the P.O. I was told because he recognized the builder was in financial trouble. The Registration protected HIS assets even if they went bankrupt. Didn't mean there wasn't going to be some questions but to get that Registration meant the engine, the gear, the hull and a myriad of other parts bought for that boat belonged to that boat and that boat was his.
Other wise the boat would have just gone into the winds as bankruptcy assets.

They did complete his , now my boat, but the next guy who did the same thing had to get his boat finished elsewhere. But he did get it and would not have were it not Registered.
I knew him so we talked as we had sister ships.

Lots of valid reasons for a Registration/Documentation.

Further more there is only one Island Pride Registered in my Registry area.
There may be others Registered elsewhere but no where near my Registry port.

It also makes lien tracing easier which is good for purchasers and sellers.
Just a bit of a pain if you wish to change the name and a bit more paper work when the boat is sold.
As I understand the documented rules in the US, the Feds hold an 'interest' in the boat as a potential addition to it fleet. Sooo, if the Feds want, they can search for the missing/stolen vessel but, the Feds are not required to search for the missing/stolen vessel. One additional point is, one does not have to put the required state vessel registration number on the hull and IMO, ruin the lines of the boat. Plus, the state continues to come back for taxes etc.
There used to be a "document pendent" that was to be 'flown' if it was a documented vessel. I guess that pendant went the way of a buggy whip. SHRUG
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As I understand the documented rules in the US, the Feds hold an 'interest' in the boat as a potential addition to it fleet. Sooo, if the Feds want, they can search for the missing/stolen vessel but, the Feds are not required to search for the missing/stolen vessel. One additional point is, one does not have to put the required state vessel registration number on the hull and IMO, ruin the lines of the boat. Plus, the state continues to come back for taxes etc.
There used to be a "document pendent" that was to be 'flown' if it was a documented vessel. I guess that pendant went the way of a buggy whip. SHRUG
Feds can come aboard any time anywhere. 14USC89 US code gives them the right. Documented,state registered doesn't matter. Safety and documentation check. They can look in any "Man size compartments" for boarding officer safety. Man size compartment got new definitions during the early/mid eighties when Haitians were escaping desperate situations. Think the size of a microwave became the new definition of man size compartment.
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Feds can come aboard any time anywhere. 14USC89 US code gives them the right. Documented,state registered doesn't matter. Safety and documentation check. They can look in any "Man size compartments" for boarding officer safety. Man size compartment got new definitions during the early/mid eighties when Haitians were escaping desperate situations. Think the size of a microwave became the new definition of man size compartment.
The Feds are welcome on board my boat any time they wish to visit. Once I tell them where the gums are located, I will be happy and content. None of my guns have a shell in the chambers. When I say 'none' consists of a 12 ga shotgun and a .45acp. When I drive to and from Atlanta, I am armed with the .45acp. The 12ga is to protect myself from sharks. (innocent look)
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Thanks Bob,
I think I’ll just park myself here for awhile. From what I can see of this boat she has exceptionally fine lines.
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Yeah but one of those lines looks like it's in a very uncomfortable place.
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The Feds are welcome on board my boat any time they wish to visit. Once I tell them where the gums are located, I will be happy and content. None of my guns have a shell in the chambers. When I say 'none' consists of a 12 ga shotgun and a .45acp. When I drive to and from Atlanta, I am armed with the .45acp. The 12ga is to protect myself from sharks. (innocent look)
Feds are coming aboard your boat if they want. It has nothing to do with your permission or not. One of the first things they will ask is about weapons onboard. No problem if they are legal,they just don't want surprises.
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