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12-26-2017, 05:37 PM
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#141
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,603
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Originally Posted by BandB
It applies to documented vessels only as there is no requirement or provision for naming of other boats. Non-documented vessels are identified by their numbers.
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Anyone,
How many of us have documented vessels?
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North Western Washington State USA
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12-26-2017, 05:45 PM
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#142
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Anyone,
How many of us have documented vessels?
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Just for you, poll started.
http://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...els-36223.html
My guess is that at least 1/3 of the people here have a documented vessel. Some because they do a lot of international cruising, some because they financed part of the boat cost, some because they don't like numbers on their hull.
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12-26-2017, 05:55 PM
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#143
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Veteran Member
City: Houston
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 83
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My next boat will be the "Fah Que II".
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12-26-2017, 06:13 PM
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#144
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,603
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Thank you BandB,
My guess is about half that but add that many may see the documented vessel as some kind of status elevatiion as it’s a big boat thing. And it just occured to me a higher level of “trawlerism”.
Will be interesting. I’ll go vote.
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North Western Washington State USA
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12-26-2017, 06:38 PM
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#145
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Guru
City: Sydney
Vessel Name: Sojourn
Vessel Model: Integrity 386
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 12,650
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptRonn
My next boat will be the "Fah Que II".
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2005 Integrity 386 "Sojourn"
Sydney Australia
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12-26-2017, 06:39 PM
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#146
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Veteran Member
City: Houston
Join Date: Dec 2017
Posts: 83
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceK
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"Titanic" was taken already.
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12-26-2017, 06:51 PM
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#147
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City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,698
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Thank you BandB,
My guess is about half that but add that many may see the documented vessel as some kind of status elevatiion as it’s a big boat thing. And it just occured to me a higher level of “trawlerism”.
Will be interesting. I’ll go vote.
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Not necessarily a "Big boat thing" . as smaller boats get pricier, banks and other lenders like (require) boats to be documented because of first ships preferred mortgage trumps all liens except seamans wages and salvage liens. Like a house deed, its easily tracked with cradle to grave ownership info,unlike state registered craft .
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12-26-2017, 06:55 PM
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#148
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Guru
City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 21,451
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Thank you BandB,
My guess is about half that but add that many may see the documented vessel as some kind of status elevatiion as it’s a big boat thing. And it just occured to me a higher level of “trawlerism”.
Will be interesting. I’ll go vote.
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I think very few do it for status elevation. For us it's easy and simple and, when we sell, it gives a good solid history.
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12-26-2017, 07:04 PM
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#149
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Guru
City: Ft Pierce
Vessel Name: Sold
Vessel Model: Was an Albin/PSN 40
Join Date: Oct 2011
Posts: 26,342
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condemn what you dont understand....
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12-26-2017, 07:10 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9,934
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptRonn
My next boat will be the "Fah Que II".
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Make it easy on the bridge operator LOL
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12-26-2017, 08:43 PM
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Guru
City: Gibsons, B.C., Canada
Vessel Name: Island Pride
Vessel Model: Palmer 32'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 4,104
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Thank you BandB,
My guess is about half that but add that many may see the documented vessel as some kind of status elevatiion as it’s a big boat thing. And it just occured to me a higher level of “trawlerism”.
Will be interesting. I’ll go vote.
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Where the heck did that come from? Got nothing to do with it. Mine is Registered, Canada, which is very similar to your Documented.
T'was done by the P.O. I was told because he recognized the builder was in financial trouble. The Registration protected HIS assets even if they went bankrupt. Didn't mean there wasn't going to be some questions but to get that Registration meant the engine, the gear, the hull and a myriad of other parts bought for that boat belonged to that boat and that boat was his.
Other wise the boat would have just gone into the winds as bankruptcy assets.
They did complete his , now my boat, but the next guy who did the same thing had to get his boat finished elsewhere. But he did get it and would not have were it not Registered.
I knew him so we talked as we had sister ships.
Lots of valid reasons for a Registration/Documentation.
Further more there is only one Island Pride Registered in my Registry area.
There may be others Registered elsewhere but no where near my Registry port.
It also makes lien tracing easier which is good for purchasers and sellers.
Just a bit of a pain if you wish to change the name and a bit more paper work when the boat is sold.
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12-26-2017, 09:11 PM
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#152
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9,934
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Quote:
Originally Posted by C lectric
Where the heck did that come from? Got nothing to do with it. Mine is Registered, Canada, which is very similar to your Documented.
T'was done by the P.O. I was told because he recognized the builder was in financial trouble. The Registration protected HIS assets even if they went bankrupt. Didn't mean there wasn't going to be some questions but to get that Registration meant the engine, the gear, the hull and a myriad of other parts bought for that boat belonged to that boat and that boat was his.
Other wise the boat would have just gone into the winds as bankruptcy assets.
They did complete his , now my boat, but the next guy who did the same thing had to get his boat finished elsewhere. But he did get it and would not have were it not Registered.
I knew him so we talked as we had sister ships.
Lots of valid reasons for a Registration/Documentation.
Further more there is only one Island Pride Registered in my Registry area.
There may be others Registered elsewhere but no where near my Registry port.
It also makes lien tracing easier which is good for purchasers and sellers.
Just a bit of a pain if you wish to change the name and a bit more paper work when the boat is sold.
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As I understand the documented rules in the US, the Feds hold an 'interest' in the boat as a potential addition to it fleet. Sooo, if the Feds want, they can search for the missing/stolen vessel but, the Feds are not required to search for the missing/stolen vessel. One additional point is, one does not have to put the required state vessel registration number on the hull and IMO, ruin the lines of the boat. Plus, the state continues to come back for taxes etc.
There used to be a "document pendent" that was to be 'flown' if it was a documented vessel. I guess that pendant went the way of a buggy whip. SHRUG
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12-26-2017, 09:22 PM
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
As I understand the documented rules in the US, the Feds hold an 'interest' in the boat as a potential addition to it fleet. Sooo, if the Feds want, they can search for the missing/stolen vessel but, the Feds are not required to search for the missing/stolen vessel. One additional point is, one does not have to put the required state vessel registration number on the hull and IMO, ruin the lines of the boat. Plus, the state continues to come back for taxes etc.
There used to be a "document pendent" that was to be 'flown' if it was a documented vessel. I guess that pendant went the way of a buggy whip. SHRUG
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Feds can come aboard any time anywhere. 14USC89 US code gives them the right. Documented,state registered doesn't matter. Safety and documentation check. They can look in any "Man size compartments" for boarding officer safety. Man size compartment got new definitions during the early/mid eighties when Haitians were escaping desperate situations. Think the size of a microwave became the new definition of man size compartment.
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12-26-2017, 09:33 PM
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#154
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116 2008
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 9,934
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor of Fortune
Feds can come aboard any time anywhere. 14USC89 US code gives them the right. Documented,state registered doesn't matter. Safety and documentation check. They can look in any "Man size compartments" for boarding officer safety. Man size compartment got new definitions during the early/mid eighties when Haitians were escaping desperate situations. Think the size of a microwave became the new definition of man size compartment.
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The Feds are welcome on board my boat any time they wish to visit. Once I tell them where the gums are located, I will be happy and content. None of my guns have a shell in the chambers. When I say 'none' consists of a 12 ga shotgun and a .45acp. When I drive to and from Atlanta, I am armed with the .45acp. The 12ga is to protect myself from sharks. (innocent look)
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12-26-2017, 10:07 PM
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#155
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Guru
City: Bayview
Vessel Name: Puffin
Vessel Model: Willard Vega 30
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 1,382
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Quote:
Originally Posted by auscan
imo i like a bare stern, but don't mind numbers on the hull.
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What kind of boat is that?
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12-26-2017, 10:50 PM
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#156
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Guru
City: Palm Coast, FL
Vessel Name: Coquina
Vessel Model: Lagoon 380
Join Date: Jan 2017
Posts: 2,476
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sbu22
On another note, I find that Canadians may have a corner on picturesque place names. My personal favorite: Dildo, Newfoundland. Sitting at the confluence of Dildo Creek with Dildo Arm, east of the Dildo Islands and Spread Eagle Bay.
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I had that boring drive a few dozen times in the last couple of months. TransCanadian hwy with the only real break with signs like Dildo Pond, Conception Bay, and Placentia in close proximity.
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12-26-2017, 10:55 PM
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#157
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 18,603
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Thanks Bob,
I think I’ll just park myself here for awhile. From what I can see of this boat she has exceptionally fine lines.
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North Western Washington State USA
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12-26-2017, 11:01 PM
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#158
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Senior Member
City: Palo Alto
Vessel Name: Ann-Elyse II
Vessel Model: North Pacific 45
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 469
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nomad Willy
Thanks Bob,
I think I’ll just park myself here for awhile. From what I can see of this boat she has exceptionally fine lines.
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Yeah but one of those lines looks like it's in a very uncomfortable place.
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12-26-2017, 11:02 PM
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,698
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
The Feds are welcome on board my boat any time they wish to visit. Once I tell them where the gums are located, I will be happy and content. None of my guns have a shell in the chambers. When I say 'none' consists of a 12 ga shotgun and a .45acp. When I drive to and from Atlanta, I am armed with the .45acp. The 12ga is to protect myself from sharks. (innocent look)
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Feds are coming aboard your boat if they want. It has nothing to do with your permission or not. One of the first things they will ask is about weapons onboard. No problem if they are legal,they just don't want surprises.
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12-26-2017, 11:18 PM
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#160
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Senior Member
City: Sydney
Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 261
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptRonn
My next boat will be the "Fah Que II".
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May slow down Mayday and Pan Pan responses - in fact any radio communication that needs a timely response
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