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01-13-2015, 04:30 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Split croatia
Vessel Name: Lilja
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 29
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New member from France, boat in Croatia
After a year of visitng, surveying etc i've bought a 1982 defever 44, it will stay in its home port of Split in Croatia.
I'm from a sailing background and know I have a steep learning curve.
I'm going there this week to start making a to do list and will be back to the forum with many questions.
First question will be do I replace the side port hatches or refit them; some are leaking, how bad I'll know this weekend?
I really look forward to learning from your experience and hope i'll be able to give something back over the coming years as this project goes on.
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01-13-2015, 06:10 AM
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Guru
City: I need a bigger boat!
Vessel Model: Cheetah 25' Powercat.
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 925
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jbuck
After a year of visitng, surveying etc i've bought a 1982 defever 44, it will stay in its home port of Split in Croatia.
I'm from a sailing background and know I have a steep learning curve.
I'm going there this week to start making a to do list and will be back to the forum with many questions.
First question will be do I replace the side port hatches or refit them; some are leaking, how bad I'll know this weekend?
I really look forward to learning from your experience and hope i'll be able to give something back over the coming years as this project goes on.
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Hi Jbuck,
Welcome: I've only heard good news about Croatia, and it's a beautiful part of the Med. I've been to Venice a couple of times and loved it.
Lovely looking boat. what sort of engines do you have?
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01-13-2015, 06:32 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Split croatia
Vessel Name: Lilja
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 29
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It has 2 x ford lehamns 120hp. hours unknown but looked after by a knowledgeable man
so he'll start the teaching me the maintenance procedures this friday I hope.
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01-13-2015, 06:55 AM
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Guru
City: I need a bigger boat!
Vessel Model: Cheetah 25' Powercat.
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 925
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jbuck
It has 2 x ford lehamns 120hp. hours unknown but looked after by a knowledgeable man
so he'll start the teaching me the maintenance procedures this friday I hope.
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You've joined the right forum: there are lots of very knowledgeable people on here who know a lot about lehmans. Ford diesels are fantastic engines.
Please post some pics of you boat, and it's interior layout etc.....
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01-13-2015, 07:20 AM
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Guru
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,700
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jbuck
First question will be do I replace the side port hatches or refit them; some are leaking, how bad I'll know this weekend?
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Welcome to the best boating site on the 'net. I'm sure you also know about the the Defever owner's group, which has tons of info specific to our boats.
If it's just the gaskets leaking, there are sources for new gasket material. Wilson Lin at POCTA in Hong Kong, who still builds Defevers, can hook you up. There are also domestic sources, but you should confirm the precise dimensions. This has been discussed more than once among the Defever owners. If the port frames are leaking, it's obviously a bigger and more expensive job. Again, the Defever owners or Wilson can point you to replacements, if you go that route.
Assuming you don't have worn out gaskets, the decision to rebed or replace them would, for me, depend on whether there is something structurally wrong with them or just a failure of the bedding job. Also, I personally would not rebed plastic ports, but would dig deep and replace them with stainless.
Enjoy your new Defever!
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01-13-2015, 09:22 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Split croatia
Vessel Name: Lilja
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 29
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Replacing port hatches
Thanks for your replies, I'll know a lot more by the weekend, and will no doubt have more questions.
Here ares some photos of the boat as it is today.
Jeremy
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01-13-2015, 10:35 AM
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Guru
City: gulf coast
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,440
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looks to be in good shape.
Try testing the leaks with a water hoe to determine the water path. Are there opening posts?
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01-13-2015, 10:38 AM
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Guru
City: Sarasota,FL/Thomasville,GA
Vessel Name: Steppin Stone IV
Vessel Model: Marine Trader Kelly Trawler 46
Join Date: Jul 2013
Posts: 1,815
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Welcome
Welcome
Great looking boat
and we love Croatia some great cruising
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01-13-2015, 10:58 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Split croatia
Vessel Name: Lilja
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 29
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bayview
looks to be in good shape.
Try testing the leaks with a water hoe to determine the water path. Are there opening posts?
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Here are some photos of how thy look I need to see if the damage is old, new and what caused it, left open, or gentle seep.
The saloon windows, one pictured here, certainly need redoing, one was badly leaking last time I was there during the pre purchase survey in a very windy rain storm.
It was too rough to take the boat out that day but it was perfect to test the water tightness.
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01-13-2015, 02:46 PM
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Guru
City: I need a bigger boat!
Vessel Model: Cheetah 25' Powercat.
Join Date: Aug 2014
Posts: 925
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Very Nice boat, with lots and lots of accommodation.
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01-13-2015, 03:28 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 12,516
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When transitioning from auxiliary sailboat to motor vessel, for me the learning curve applied to the new-fangled electronics such as radar, GPS/plotter, depth finder, and radio but not boat handling.
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01-13-2015, 04:32 PM
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Veteran Member
City: Split croatia
Vessel Name: Lilja
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 29
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Thank-you i hope thats the case. A lot of the electronics look like they'll need replacing a part frol depth. I plan to stick to radio and leave the other radar etc. Its relying on engine only that i'll have to get use to aswell.
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01-13-2015, 06:58 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 15,886
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Greetings,
Welcome aboard. Lots for you to do BUT it seems you have a lot to work with as well. Enjoy. I would suggest you make her leak free first and foremost. The rest will come.
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01-13-2015, 07:59 PM
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Guru
City: gulf coast
Join Date: Jun 2014
Posts: 3,440
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you may know this but there are two places to leak.
the gasket for the window opening and the mount itself.
Those windows probably have a through hull structure with an outside flange with a tube that goes through the cabin side and an inner flat piece that clamps the two together. Good caulk in supposed to seal the outer through hull "tube". The obvious place to start is replacing and cleaning the gasket area if the screw clamps work properly.
Hard to tell from the pIX but there is indication of water at top. to me that means the frame tube to hull seal has failed and the entire structure needs to be re bedded.
The water damage will be hard to refinish to look like the other panels. Some boats have too much teak inside and look dark. White painted walls with teak trim is an alternative and much easier than replacing teak walls.
I have had trouble with those type of windows because the top hinges don't have adjustment.
replacements and parts are probably available from the window maker if you can find the brand
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01-13-2015, 09:41 PM
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Senior Member
City: Qualicum Beach, British Columbia
Vessel Name: Change of Heart
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 42
Join Date: Mar 2011
Posts: 236
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"Split in Croatia"...yeah, not too jealous!
That area is one of the few on this planet that I envy over our Pacific Northwest.
Cruising Croatia is definitely on my bucket list!
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Everything on your boat is broken...you just don't know about it yet.
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01-14-2015, 12:05 AM
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Senior Member
City: Knoxville
Vessel Name: Pura Vida
Vessel Model: 08 Meridian 490 Pilothouse
Join Date: Apr 2014
Posts: 316
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Welcome Looks like a great project, good luck.
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01-14-2015, 02:20 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Split croatia
Vessel Name: Lilja
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 29
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Thank you for this advice and good wishes.No i dont know this stuff so please assume i know nothing. It is a gret project.I'm there tomorrow until sunday so ill have a good look around and try and see where the leaks are first and foremost.
Exactly what you say rtf, i'd like to get it leak proof and enjoy the boat this year before launching into more costly repairs but i'm sure i wont have the choice, as you say everthing is broken i just dont know it yet.
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01-14-2015, 06:20 AM
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Dauntless Award
City: Wrangell, Alaska
Vessel Name: Dauntless
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 42 - 148
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 2,812
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly
Greetings,
Welcome aboard. Lots for you to do BUT it seems you have a lot to work with as well. Enjoy. I would suggest you make her leak free first and foremost. The rest will come.
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  Good advice
Welcome aboard
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01-17-2015, 08:45 AM
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TF Site Team
City: Seneca Lake NY
Vessel Name: Bacchus
Vessel Model: MS 34 HT Trawler
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 6,965
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Welcome... very nice looking boat!
Your port lights look like they might be Bomar - I repaired, rebedded & replaced a number of these on our previous Carver Riviera. Parts were available through West Marine - special order - at lest as of a few yrs ago and I see they still list them in their catalog Bomar Portlight I had some of the outside flanges that were cracked from UV and the cost of new flanges was nearly what a new portlight was so I replaced them. Others only the window needed replacement and they weren't too pricey. New gasketing was also available by the foot and I got enought to do them all and regasketed all over time.
The toughest part of the project was cleaning off the old caulk - I found a small wire brush in a drill worked best for the areas hidden by the flange - just need to be careful w/ surrounding gelcoat - I masked and found that useful as a guide.
Good luck w/ the projects - take photos & post some "How To's"
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2008 MS 34 HT Trawler
"Bacchus"
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01-17-2015, 10:16 AM
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Guru
City: Cypress Landing Marina (NC)
Vessel Name: Heron (2)
Vessel Model: '88 Cape Dory 28 Flybridge #115
Join Date: Nov 2014
Posts: 1,305
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jbuck
Here are some photos of how thy look I need to see if the damage is old, new and what caused it, left open, or gentle seep.
The saloon windows, one pictured here, certainly need redoing, one was badly leaking last time I was there during the pre purchase survey in a very windy rain storm.
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Some hints and tips on portlight replacement and re-bedding here:
Installing New Found Metals Stainless Portlights Photo Gallery by Compass Marine How To at pbase.com
My boat's were replaced with these stainless Newfoundmetals units used in the DIY. Very nice quality, and not overly expensive..
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