Elling E4 Sea-trial thoughts
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We are going with a “suitcase” inflatable catamaran dinghy and a 2.5 hp Suzuki. For as little as we have typically used our previous tender, this seemed like a much better option. I had some extra hideaway cleats integrated onto the swim platform to tie it down temporarily.
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Pascall
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Congratulations!
Are you going to sail for a few more days before the ship is transported?
Greeting
Pascal.
Are you going to sail for a few more days before the ship is transported?
Greeting
Pascal.
guy with a boat
Guru
Congratulations on the upcoming delivery. That is a beautiful boat with some great design features.
More pics: hull detail, fuel tank access, poop tank 
wing engine with sonihull transducer, Reverso oil changer. We decided to add a removable tender cradle because, well, why not.
wing engine with sonihull transducer, Reverso oil changer. We decided to add a removable tender cradle because, well, why not. Attachments
ChilliShip
Newbie
Hi, Just joined the forum having seen your post, came across it when searching for info on the E4. My wife and I have been invited by Anton to visit the factory and have a demonstration of an E4 in 2 weeks time. It is such a different boat from more conventional alternatives that we find ourselves asking many of the same questions you did. But based on your experience and interactions with them, are there other less obvious things you have learned that we should be looking out for on the day? To give you an idea of the use, we are sailers, but are looking for a boat that can take us on a kind of great loop, from the English Channel, down through continental Europes waterways to the Black Sea, through the med and back up through the French canals. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
Some others here may offer more specific advice than me, but I can tell you that we are in the midst of commissioning our new E4 and have had a fantastic experience with Anton, Jack, and Elling in general. We have received first class treatment, but more importantly have made some new life long friends. Other than a few cosmetic touch ups from shipping, a dead water pump on the Bosch Washer/dryer combo, our commissioning process has been exceptional. We have been cruising around the Chesapeake's scenic waters for the last 10 days and couldn't be happier with our purchase. The Cummins, in my opinion is the only way to go. 8 knots with full fuel and water and 7 people on board is 3 gallons per hour. 9 knots is 7 gph. 17.5 knots top end with that same load., remarkably so! We opted for no stabilization, and for our intended cruising style, we do not regret our decision. I highly recommend the factory installed window coverings for sun protection when moored, as well as the Bimini to rain dodger canvas connector. Ask for a stiffer, thicker foam for the bow jump seat cushions. If you go with air conditioning, the Webasto V50 is excellent, but get a diffuser for the air vent in the master bedroom, as it blows like a hurricane if you're sleeping on the engine room side of the bed. A 24 volt fan would also be very nice for the captain in the pilot house. We will be making these changes as well. You will absolutely love your Elling!
ChilliShip
Newbie
Thanks, so jealous! Fuel consumption is very impressive, saw the same speed and consumption info for a ST 35 with a Cummins. Interested in your thoughts on the stabiliser, in the med many moorings are town quays which are cramped and noisy, so end up anchoring off - but then you can suffer from any swell that comes up. Not bothered about motion when underway, you expect rocking after all, but not when stationary - any feel for what it is like in those circumstances yet? Yeh, do sleep on that side of the bed, but my wife likes it warmer than me at night - so that might work out for us! Are there any parts of the mechanical systems access or operation that you think we should look at other than the stuff mentioned earlier? Did you think about an electric wing engine instead of the diesel, it is something I'm going to talk to them more about. Anyway, great to hear from you and have a great time!
long-cours.62
Guru
Yes impressive but in witch way ?
At 8 kts 1.42 liter per nm it is 24% more than our former boat
At 9 kts 2.94 liter per nm it is 65% more than our former boat at 9.8 kts
I like the concept of this boat but can't say the consumption is the main argument
On their Atlantic crossing they put 3600 liter for the E4 "Duke" at an average speed of (around) 7kts ( on the bottom, don't forget on an Atlantic crossing you can benefit of around 0.5kts of current on the right direction )
After 1060nm they used 1250 liter it means 1.18 liter per nm
When the current became even more favorable they do 7 kts on the ground for 5 l per hour : 0.714l per nm
The E3 Valentina arrive with only 60 liter remain in the tank.
During the crossing the smaller E3 must bring some jerrican to the E4.
2580 nm for around 3000 liter 1.16lt per nm at probably 6.6/6.7kts on the water.
1.16lt it is + 43% than our former boat at 7 kts and ...26% less than our actual :-(
What I like in the E it is : low profile, self righting but for consumption no choice must be long, narrow or/and (very) light.
And for very very good consumption must be like the power tri of the member BOATGM or the scalled down Stiletto
In 1936 Marin Marie cross the north Atlantic from NY to Chausey. On small motor boat (former motor sailor hull) with the engine at 600rpm he reach 7kts for 7l per hour, at 730 rpm it was 8.3kts for10.50l per hour. He crossed at an average 630rpm.
with the "help" of wind and current he made some nice day record : 207.188.190.195.203.195197.193.208.203.224.205.217..
18 day and 22 hours for the 3200nm .
For the first 2400 nm he used 2600 liter : 1.0833 l per nm
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ChilliShip
Newbie
We are looking at other semi displacement options and we have seen consumption down to 0.74l/nm at 6.1 kn, but that's a light 35ft Haines 360 (UK small volume builder), and too small to contemplate spending many months on anyway. And we don't want to be limited to displacement speed with just 2 of us on board when we have the occasional 150-200 nm passage - everything a compromise.
Amadeus
Veteran Member
Two years ago we went to the Netherlands and bought an Elling E6, the 65' big brother to the E4. The vessel was designed by Vripack and they made an amazing job of it. We've cruised around Europe for two summers and this year we will sail it back to the U.S. via England, Scotland, the Faroe Islands, Iceland and the Canadiam Maritimes. It is a remarkable vessel in all respects. There will be an E4 this week at the Anacortes Trawlerfest.
ivanovick22
Newbie
Congratulations on the new boat. She is a a complete beauty. Love the choices (aesthetics and non-aesthetics) you chose.More pics: hull detail, fuel tank access, poop tank
I am currently going through the process of possibly purchasing a lightly used 2020 E4. I was wondering if you could share what your total cost was including shipping. I would like to have some comparison. I have seen several figures online ranging from 1.2-1.4 million.
Ithaka7
Veteran Member
Do not get too excited over fuel consumption. Any 50 ft boat will burn next to nothing at 6-7 knots, be it displacement, planing or whatever. You will need to plan on 3 nmpg at that speed and you can adjust the speed to suit your range. It is simple physics and it is not that much weight dependent. The more interesting question is fuel consumption on the plane, if you can get close to 1 nmpg and for that you need to reduce weight as much as possible as that is purely weight dependent.
