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Old 01-31-2020, 08:34 PM   #8421
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Yeah, that's weird. The ad states:
SAILING GEAR
  • Main and Mizzen Masts w/boom & Rigging
  • Mainsail
  • Genoa
  • Jib
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Really? Seriously, what would these sails really be good for on a 48' DeFever? I understand a steadying sail, but a Mainsail, Genoa and Jib? Not to mention the Mizzen . . . . Please someone, I'm really trying to figure out what the usefulness of these would be on this type of boat.
Oh, and they have a Predator, gasoline, open frame contractor style generator on the fly bridge in a box, but apparently no marine generator installed . . .
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Old 02-01-2020, 02:12 PM   #8422
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Yeah, that's weird. The ad states:
SAILING GEAR
  • Main and Mizzen Masts w/boom & Rigging
  • Mainsail
  • Genoa
  • Jib
  • Mizzen
Really? Seriously, what would these sails really be good for on a 48' DeFever? I understand a steadying sail, but a Mainsail, Genoa and Jib? Not to mention the Mizzen . . . . Please someone, I'm really trying to figure out what the usefulness of these would be on this type of boat.
Oh, and they have a Predator, gasoline, open frame contractor style generator on the fly bridge in a box, but apparently no marine generator installed . . .
Motorsailing under the right conditions you can probably save 10, maybe 20% fuel. And yes, you can add quite a bit of stability. Close hauled in 15-20, even a beam reach. It WILL add. And if the engine quits you can make it close enough to a port where a 400 miles tow turns into a 20 mile tow. That would save serious coin. May take a few days, but hey..... we're on vacation right?

What I would want to know is whether this was original, or someone added this later. If the latter, you would have to do a SERIOUS survey to see how the forces involved are distributed. This is not to be underestimated.

My 42 foot sailboat had no installed generator. I ran a Honda 2000EU off shore for a few hours a day to charge batteries and in anchorages (no not next to someone, don't even go there) to run AC. It's not ideal, and it's a pain to have to carry gasoline for it, but not everyone has the extra 10-15 K needed to install a marine generator.
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Old 02-02-2020, 02:57 PM   #8423
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Nice Norman Wright Passagemaker in the UK.


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Old 02-02-2020, 03:13 PM   #8424
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Great looking boat. The interior looks fantastic.
I like.
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Old 02-02-2020, 03:29 PM   #8425
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I sort of question if 48 ft boat is safe to operate with 2 people for long periods of time.
2 of us have been managing a 60 fter with no problem for near 4 years full time.
Little girls can sail 75 ft trimarans around the world at great speed, single handed. (-;
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Old 02-02-2020, 03:39 PM   #8426
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Interesting how one page says Vac infused foam core
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CONSTRUCTION MATERIAL | Foam Core Composite
CONSTRUCTION METHOD | Vacuum Infused
https://www.wrightsons.com.au/odern/

Resin supplier says strip planked hoop pine and ply
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Hull construction is timber-cored composite. Hoop pine planks were strip planked over a temporary jig of computer cut frames, and edge-glued with WEST SYSTEM brand epoxy mixed with a low density powder modifier.

The inside and outside of the hull was reinforced with multiaxial E-fibregalss and laminated with ATL's high performance KINETIX R246TX laminating resin and H160 Medium hardener.

The remainder of the vessel is marine plywood, with all external surfaces sheathed with E-fibreglass and laminated with WEST SYSTEM brand epoxy. WEST SYSTEM brand epoxy and modifiers, and Techniqlue-CA were used for all structural bonding, filleting and fairing applications on ODERN.
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Old 02-02-2020, 05:06 PM   #8427
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Interesting how one page says Vac infused foam core





https://www.wrightsons.com.au/odern/



Resin supplier says strip planked hoop pine and ply





https://www.westsystem.com.au/projec...range-cruiser/


Here’s another article, yet it doesn’t solve the core issue. https://www.foxsmarina.com/2016/04/2...turns-to-foxs/
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Old 02-03-2020, 09:51 PM   #8428
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A brand I had not heard of before- https://www.northriverboats.com/recr...fshorevoyager/

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Old 02-03-2020, 09:53 PM   #8429
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Old 02-03-2020, 10:41 PM   #8430
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North River (OR)and Duckworth (WA) are iconic PNW boat builders with an almost cult like following here that have been around awhile.
I know more about Duckworth being an owner, but I think they are very similar. Welded aluminum originally designed as river sleds and historically powered by jet pumps though mostly powered by outboards these days. Early versions were flatter bottomed to draw as little water as possible in the rivers though I am sure that has changed as they built these bigger saltwater versions.

Mine is powered by a 350 red line Ford in board driving a Berkely pump, 40+ knots and quite hard to steer at that speed! Draws about 4-6" when flat out. At 4500 RPM sucking buckets of fuel through her Holly carb, you can hear her coming from 10 miles away. All around, it would be a much better boat equipped with a modern quiet outboard(s) like the new ones.
Heavy and tough for sure.
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Old 02-09-2020, 05:22 PM   #8431
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Kinda makes me want to go to the dark side (a woody).

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Old 02-09-2020, 07:36 PM   #8432
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Kinda makes me want to go to the dark side (a woody).
I have frequent thoughts about this.... And then I scream. My clear and present danger is that I have the ability to keep one afloat, in style, and it would be a ton of fun, and incredibly satisfying. It would take SO much time though.....

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Old 02-12-2020, 04:49 PM   #8433
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I kind of like the looks of this independence cruiser.
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Old 02-12-2020, 04:57 PM   #8434
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I kind of like the looks of this independence cruiser.
Layout is much like a sailboat. Bit more upright though.
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Old 02-12-2020, 05:25 PM   #8435
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Layout is much like a sailboat. Bit more upright though.
True.
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Layout is much like a sailboat. Bit more upright though.
I dont understand the lay out of the helm
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Old 02-12-2020, 11:44 PM   #8437
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I dont understand the lay out of the helm
Emulates a sailboat cockpit. Maybe the owner's went from sail to power and wanted the same sort of set up.
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Old 02-13-2020, 12:00 AM   #8438
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I dont understand the lay out of the helm
Exactly what I was thinking. I guess the thought was to maintain a minimum profile while keeping the lower deck head clearance. Nanni with a direct drive though.... For sure, an interesting vessel.
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Layout is much like a sailboat. Bit more upright though.

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Looks like an efficient trawler, as said, emulating a plum bow sailboat.
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Looks like an efficient trawler, as said, emulating a plum bow sailboat.
Am I the only one here that think that boat seems cheap for it's year and size?

Kind of like a diesel duck that has been modernized.. or at least modern style.
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