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I was at a yard in Oceanside CA (north of San Diego) the other day and spied this unusual bow thruster install on a Bayliner 38. Does not appear to be functional anymore. Wonder why?

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Not very big motors if it is electric powered.
I was at a yard in Oceanside CA (north of San Diego) the other day and spied this unusual bow thruster install on a Bayliner 38. Does not appear to be functional anymore. Wonder why?

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Looks almost entirely like a home-made rig.
I don't think I could imagine a worse design!
 
Looks like external stern thrusters put on the bow!
 
That should work well enough to crash softly
 
They actually are made for a bow thruster. You can install it in the water without any holes below the waterline. Not a bad idea but ugly. If I had one on my boat every time I saw it I would grimace.
 
It would certainly eliminate any possibility of overnighting "bow-in" on the shore/beach.
 
It is a Sideshift. I purchased and had one installed on a Bayliner 2858; I think it was $CDN 3k all in. I took a beating from everyone who saw it, and I wouldn't buy another, but I can say that for a fraction of an in-hull when money was tight, on a boat that spun like a cork in the water, I never again had an issue docking in cross-current, cross-wind, tight slips, backing. They were better suited as stern thrusters for obvious reasons. I heard that the buyer of the boat got about 6 months of use (2 years total) before it died.
 

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Looks very vulnerable to damage. Not my choice.
 
Looks vulnerable to damage. Not my choice. It is good to have a properly installed thruster.
 

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Yikes, not for me. They may say "No holes below the waterline" but it certainly does not look that way. Think of the force of the water at 8 or 10 knots on that contraption, if that isn't enough to rip it off a slight bump would certainly do it.

I am not a naval engineer but isn't that why they make boats with a "pointy" end? Why ruin the design with that battering ram hanging out front?

pete
 
The sideshift is meant more for smaller planing hulls where the props are out of the water on plane so no extra drag. Only in the water off plane, coming into marinas, docks or locks. I've never been a fan and am happy we installed our SidePower 100 kgf tunnel thruster.

James
 
Boy, had no idea they made such a thing. If you're not planing and that thing is in the water, wouldn't it throw off your steerage or at least add a good deal of drag? Eew.
 
There is another company that makes an even more rinky dink one that has a built in battery and pulls up onto the bow when not in use.
 
I have this on my boat and I love it. My boat is semi displacement and goes onto plane. When the boat is on a plane the unit is out of the water. Because it is located under the hull, lower in the water, there is zero cavitation as in the tunnel models that sound like dishwashers when running, and many of those are weak. I have the Exturn EX35 and it moves my boat briskly.

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I want to put a bow thruster in our boat and there isn’t room for a tunnel so when I put one in it will be an Exturn. It won’t be out of the water on our boat but at 9 knots it won’t really matter that much. But I would never consider one like the one that started this thread.
 
I want to put a bow thruster in our boat and there isn’t room for a tunnel so when I put one in it will be an Exturn. It won’t be out of the water on our boat but at 9 knots it won’t really matter that much. But I would never consider one like the one that started this thread.

Curious if at or near the bow is important location, why not 5 feet back? I understand greater pivot point. Have never wanted one, so never investigated it.
 
Curious if at or near the bow is important location, why not 5 feet back? I understand greater pivot point. Have never wanted one, so never investigated it.

Our water tanks are under the deck from the galley into the forward cabin. So there isn’t room for a tunnel. The Exturn thruster mounts deeper in the water so cavitation isn’t as likely and the motor is submerged in water so it stays cooler. Also you can install it more forward so it has better leverage on the hull.
 
Missed the point of your question, yes 5’ back from the normal position would be a huge decrease in efficiency. Besides there are still water tanks there too.
 
I have this on my boat and I love it. My boat is semi displacement and goes onto plane. When the boat is on a plane the unit is out of the water. Because it is located under the hull, lower in the water, there is zero cavitation as in the tunnel models that sound like dishwashers when running, and many of those are weak. I have the Exturn EX35 and it moves my boat briskly.

https://side-power.com/kategori/183...l-itklJKYrsHItSMQLqazkeXb5ulUyxRoCLIMQAvD_BwE

My install of an Exturn duplex:

https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s3/2015-haulout-weeks-work-3-days-22979.html
 
I like the concept, and looked at the Side Power one.


While my current boat has the tunnel, the boat's I'm shopping for, most don't have a thruster. I'd strongly consider an external, especially when there install issues with things in the way for an internal.



Now, question for you twin drivers....


What's your thought on a bow vs stern thruster with twins? With a twin set up it's pretty easy to move the bow, but almost impossible to move the stern.
 

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Now, question for you twin drivers....


What's your thought on a bow vs stern thruster with twins? With a twin set up it's pretty easy to move the bow, but almost impossible to move the stern.

I find it the other way around. I think a stern thruster would be absolutely pointless on my boat, as it's pretty easy to move the stern sideways with the engines. Moving the bow sideways is harder though, so a bow thruster would occasionally come in handy. This may be different on an express cruiser type with a very shallow forefoot where it'll pivot further back. I'd say the pivot point on my boat is somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of the way forward, so in many cases, you're pivoting the stern around the bow more than anything.

When backing into a narrow slip, for example, you can move the stern around pretty easily. But to move the bow a foot sideways, you generally have to move the stern around more than that. To move the bow to starboard by a foot, you'd generally have to move the stern to port something like 2 feet (as the pivot point is typically forward of center). So you often end up doing things like turning the stern to starboard a bit, then pivoting the boat (moving the stern back to port) and adjusting from there.

A bow thruster with a twin is useful in my mind in a few situations. The biggest 2 in my mind are backing into a narrow slip where you need precise control of bow positioning without a lot of room to move the rest of the boat and getting off a face dock when the wind is pinning you onto the dock (walking the stern out is easy with the engines, but getting the bow out is harder, especially if you can't pivot against a fender without hitting the swim platform and there are obstacles to letting the pulpit overhang the dock as you pivot and depart).

Basically, a twin can pivot in place unlike a single, but also acts like 2 singles (with extremely strong prop walk) tied together. That prop walk is extremely useful, as you can use it to generate some amount of sideways movement much more easily than you can when playing with the rudder and thrust (partly because it works in both forward and reverse).

This also gives you good steering in reverse when having to back up for a long distance in a space too narrow to spin around. Both engines in reverse goes straight. If you want to turn gently, take the engine you want to turn towards out of gear. If you need a tighter turn, put that engine in forward briefly (but watch how long you do this or be ready to add throttle on the other engine to avoid losing too much of your reverse momentum).


As an example of using prop walk, my home slip is at one side of a basin. Due to how the water moves through the basin, my stern always drifts off the dock (towards the neighboring boat) as soon as I drop the stern line, regardless of wind. The bow follows the wind. So unless the wind is pinning me to the finger pier, the departure method is to drop the last spring and the stern line, then head for the helm while giving the admiral the "go" signal. She'll then pull the bow in fairly tight to the dock and remove the bow line. At the helm, the dock side (port in my case) engine goes in forward, followed about a second later by the other engine, then shortly after both into neutral before the turn in the fairway. Prop walk from the port engine pulls the stern back into the dock (and pushes the bow out a little), leading to a straight departure from the slip and being able to get the boat closer to the dock (for clearance to the center piling).
 
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