Can the Cruise Industry survive ?

[Benthic2]

I wonder if we are more susceptible to the more mundane infections and viruses because we have been so isolated. For 2 years we weren't riding in crowed elevators, touching public restroom doorknobs and being sneezed on in the subway. Is it possible our immune systems got lazy and will need some time to get back into fighting shape ?

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. B. I think you're correct (post#841). In Ontario, Canada and perhaps in other provinces there has been a significant increase in RSV among children. One report postulated that due to isolation during the height of Covid, children were not exposed to the virus and their usual natural immunity acquired by being in contact with other children waned making them much more susceptible to infection after restrictions were relaxed and children started "mingling" again. Evidently, natural immunity is very short lived so that 2 years or so of non-contact left them more vulnerable to infection.



https://www.thestar.com/news/gta/202...d-to-know.html


https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/it-s-v...ried-1.6124430

[AlaskaProf]

Originally Posted by Benthic2

I wonder if we are more susceptible to the more mundane infections and viruses because we have been so isolated. ... get back into fighting shape ?

Seems perfectly plausible to me. Powerful argument for the seasonal flu shot! I threw in pertussis, tetanus and shingrix (okay, I know the last two don't really count.)

[BruceK]

Originally Posted by Hippocampus

G9 please give data as to vaccination rates. Please post how many have received the two boosters. Please then compare morbidity and mortality rates for those who have completed the complete program to whose who have not.
You are correct vaccination does work. The science is settled. Fully vaccinated people are less like to get sick enough as to require hospitalization or die.
Yes as the virus has evolved it has become more resistant to the vaccines people have received the past but the sarcasm of your posts is refuted by science.

Oh no. You fed a troll. Look where it has led.

[Hippocampus]

B you’re right, my mistake.

There was a fall in numbers of flu cases and related deaths during the period of stricter public mandates. Influenza mutates fairly rapidly hence the need for repetitive vaccination. Having had it before has little impact on risk of infection in future years. Similarly the need to stay up on vaccination.
However there’s some merit to thinking challenges from any and all aerosol/droplet communicated infectious agents were decreased by the nonspecific public health measures. If you’re not exposed to vectors of transmission (other people) your immune system is less challenged. Question is what impact this has on the memory cells in your immune system. For some agents not a lot (think measles). For others (many of the respiratory viruses) there’s some. For others none at all. For Covid as it mutates you can get it over and over. RSV is of greatest risk to premies. They can be vaccinated against it. But it’s unlikely that will be done to the general population. Multiple factors influence flu rates of infection, severity of illness and death rate but the genetics of the circulating variant would seem to lead the list.

[Group9]

Originally Posted by Benthic2

I wonder if we are more susceptible to the more mundane infections and viruses because we have been so isolated. For 2 years we weren't riding in crowed elevators, touching public restroom doorknobs and being sneezed on in the subway. Is it possible our immune systems got lazy and will need some time to get back into fighting shape ?

There is another theoretical reason, for why this could be happening, based on how MRNA vaccines work, but I hesitate to go any farther than just mentioning it, to avoid an unpleasant discussion. This possibility was predicted by some virologists a couple of years ago at the start of the Covid vaccination program.

Best to research stuff like that on your own and come to your own conclusion (use DuckDuckGo, to get the most search results).

(Hoping I didn't unleash hell with this post! )

[smitty477]

This article speaks about cruise lines data and the recent covid protocol changes...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/travel/new...5a94adeb91ba31

[SteveK]

(Hoping I didn't unleash hell with this post! )

Naw, no one knows what you are talking about.

The new bug is respiratory illness in children that were not vaccinated overwhelming hospitals. Survival of the fittest comes to mind on a new level.

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. SK. RSV is NOT a "new bug". It was first isolated in 1956. It is only recently that clinical trials have started to develop a vaccine. None, AFAIK have been licensed, thus far.

[Cold Duck]

Hawaii also called ammo stores critical and open because locals hunt wild pigs and it's a food source. Liquor stores stayed open for.... well, you know. But barber shops closed so to get a haircut was like finding a "speak easy" in the '20s. I tested negative twice but since I flew over with a False pos passenger, I was quarantined for 24 Days! Thank Gawd we had a nice house private pool and spa and not a condo, would be like solitary confinement. And the false pos passenger? She was only quarantined for 10 days, lived with me and was free to move about the Island, sleep in my bed while I was quarantined with a guy coming by every day to check on me. I don't call that logical, but what do I know. Still, quarantined in Hawaii is not a bad way to go

[SteveK]

Originally Posted by RT Firefly

Greetings,
Mr. SK. RSV is NOT a "new bug". It was first isolated in 1956. It is only recently that clinical trials have started to develop a vaccine. None, AFAIK have been licensed, thus far.

Thank you my eastern friend.
But then covid-19 was not new either, just the variant(s), a new strain perhaps. As we evolve and become immune a new variant attacks. Covid-19 is part of the coronavirus family.

[KnotYet]

Originally Posted by SteveK

Naw, no one knows what you are talking about.
...

The NIH, among others, certainly does.

Reasonable concerns come with any new therapy as they should.
Long term outcomes along with changes in health stats are being studied.

[KnotYet]

Originally Posted by SteveK

Thank you my eastern friend.
But then covid-19 was not new either, just the variant(s), a new strain perhaps. As we evolve and become immune a new variant attacks. Covid-19 is part of the coronavirus family.

It's in the name: i.e, identified in 2019.
Still considered so novel that there was no comparable outbreak for 100+ years.

[Art]

This can be called a "blind test", "open test", "looking closely test" or any other type of "test" you may like. I call it: Our "Family/friend living-life test".

Test Sequence

- Week or two before Covid-19 gained its official name: Linda came back from Texas family visit. Within two days she became so sick [respiratory wise] that I called our health provider's advice nurse. Was touch and go for several days as to if 911 ambulance ride to ER needed to be brought into the mix. She eventually began to clear up - the main poor-health portion of that infection time was not completely over for a few weeks. Ongoing complications did not fully clear up for couple months. Family in Texas [two parents then in late 40's / two grand Kids 6 and 8 yrs.] had no sickness. During Linda's severe bout of what we [with similar conditions] then had figured was simply a really bad case of the flu [because of pre C-19 recognition/naming] that Linda had contracted on the plane [we guess]... I too became quite ill for a while [also with similar conditions]... but I was no where near as ill as Linda.

- After C-19 became global pandemic: We realized the illness bout mentioned above was most likely Covid! In all it's glory!

- Year later: Basically same occurred as mentioned in first paragraph - Again, most likely due to returning to CA home plane ride. This time, both Linda and I had been on same flight. We both came down with C-19 within a day or so of each other. Although it was rough time in the depths of that time's sickness event... we both survived.

- About year after that: We went on Ruby Princess [980' tour boat] Alaska Cruise. Six of us were a "party" booked on the cruise... at end of 10 day cruise - three of us six had C-19. Linda did, I didn't... at first after the cruise. However, within a week home, I did catch it from Linda while caring for her. Was fairly bad bout for us both - but less "Bad" than previous bouts.

- Not long after that a family member "Bobby" - an early 50's rough/tough semi tractor truck driver caught Covid while away on the road. He pushed through sick for a couple days to get home. Was immediately ambulanced to hospital. Died the next day! SHIT!!!!

- Couple weeks ago: Linda and I spent 6 days in Florida at Disney World with same family members [that live in Texas] mentioned in the first paragraph listed under "Test Sequence" above. Linda had Covid soon thereafter. None other of us others caught it. Linda's bout was surely debilitating - but less so than her others experienced. She's still recuperating and I'm playing nurse. This time... I have not stayed anywhere near Linda, but for minutes at a time [nurse duty - don't cha know LOL] and have [so far] not contracted C-19.

Long and the short of this "Family/friend living-life test". I depicted above...

Covid-19 = Bad Fing Sickness!! / Get every shot well agreed upon by medical professionals such as boosters etc [we did and feel the shots lessened C-19 severity]. Take C-19 seriously each time it afflicts, rest, get med help if needed. Stay out of crowded places [planes/ships/busses/trains] s much as possible. But - Don't Stop Living Life!!!



EDIT: While writing this post Linda was still asleep in morning. Upon her waking I went into bring items she might desire and to start fire in a really nice wood stove we have in bedroom. Unfortunately, even though the last couple days seemed to show health improvements... appears she has backslid. Advice nurse [we already spoke with a few days ago] told us the medications they administered to Linda during previous C-19 ordeal no longer worked on this "new" strain. Time will tell the outcome...

[SteveK]

Originally Posted by KnotYet

The NIH, among others, certainly does.

Reasonable concerns come with any new therapy as they should.
Long term outcomes along with changes in health stats are being studied.

Originally Posted by KnotYet

It's in the name: i.e, identified in 2019.
Still considered so novel that there was no comparable outbreak for 100+ years.

and the cali dreamer has the answers.

[CharlieO.]

Art, I hope your wife starts to feel better.

[Hippocampus]

I misspoke. No licensed vaccine. Know of kids receiving “A vaccine called GSK3888550A and developed by GlaxoSmithKline (GSK) entered phase 3 clinical trials in November 2020.[6] Barney S. Graham and Peter Kwong of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases'”. Believe this will be licensed shortly.

[KnotYet]

Originally Posted by SteveK

and the cali dreamer has the answers.

In the spirit of that reply, "Sticks and stones..."

[BruceK]

Best wishes to Mrs.Art. I had antivirals, tested negative briefly after completing the course, then positive again. Keep managing it, ready to push the panic button if you need to.
We successfully avoided the virus for nearly 3 years, wave after wave, but were positive within 6 days of boarding a cruise ship. Lesson learned, the hard way. Negative now but still somewhat symptomatic, GP says your immune system is shot afterwards, watch for opportunistic infections.

[Delta Riverat]

Unless you are fond of eating road kill and other such nasties, you get sick from being around people who are sick. The more people and the closer you are the better for getting sick.

Yeah, avoid being close to a lot of people indoors. Yeah Boats!