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Old 04-21-2020, 03:24 PM   #21
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Captaindeets When I took the picture she was across the canal from the Chris Craft Speedy Lee that belongs to a friend of mine. Last time I checked it looked like you had moved her a few houses up the canal and across to the east side. She is a beauty and I know all of us here on Trawler Forum would love to see some more pictures. When this crazy period is over, I’d love to get a tour.
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Old 04-21-2020, 04:36 PM   #22
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I love our Cheoy Lee 46 LRC. But if someone wanted to give me a Cheoy Lee 52 motorsailer, I would not turn it down!
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Old 04-21-2020, 06:33 PM   #23
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My last boat was a 52' Rhodes motorsailer. With her 85-Hp Perkins, she could motor
at hull speed and under sail only could easily exceed hull speed with a decent wind.
That boat had a steel hull, a 16' beam and displaced 30T.
It's really more about the designer's ability in making a boat that can do both well.
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Old 04-26-2020, 09:27 AM   #25
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Today with modern construction a motor sailor can be a 90/90.

The 100% sail hull only has to pay for the weight of the engine & installation some fuel and perhaps the drag of the prop. Most "pure " sail boats 30-50ft would have some sort of tiny engine anyway.

As a power boat the hull is certainly optimized for under hull speed operation, the drag of the keel and far larger rudder , and the air drag of the mast & rigging should only cost 10% or so.

The biggest hassle for a 90/90 is the sail hull interior can not match the volume of a bloat boat , 2 /or 3 stories tall with an oxygen tent on top.

As few want a world cruiser the choice for most is easy, Until the motor sailor is BIG!
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So.. I have always liked the idea of a motorsailer. There was one at my marina last summer, he was just leaving to do the Loop. As far as I can remember he didn't even have a mast. Most that I have seen don't have a mast.

Can you actually sail a motorsailer? Or is sort of a get home sail or stabilizing sail. I once heard that it is impractical to attempt to sail any vessel with a fixed prop.

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As someone wlse has opined, there is a lot of variability, because the line between motorsailer and "auxiliary sailboat" is never defined.

I have on two occasions chartered a Finnish-built Nauticat 44 ketch, which the builder and charter company refer to as a motorsailer. Because of the relatively high freeboard and the generous pilothouse, it tended to make a fair amount of leeway going to windward. Otherwise, an excellent sailer in all respects.

Quite capable of hull speed under power or sail.

If i ever acquire the resources to trade up, this would be my first choice.
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Sailing a proper motorsailer

Does a motorsailer sail?
This question has come up at various time in this thread, the answer is yes or it should .
Check out this you tube Ďsailing Bora boraí a classic 1974 Victory 40 design by be de stadt that recently did a complete circuit of the North Atlantic under sail and motor .
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...cU0oXmmQ9PPYal
Lovely couple , lovely story, lovely boat, enjoy
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Here she is sailing in the trade winds at about 7 knts!
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Edit: Ha I just saw that I posted a similar response back in April! I'll leave this up anyway.

Our last boat was a 52' 30 ton motorsailer designed by Phil Rhodes.
She sailed like a sailboat until maybe 45 degrees from the wind.
The 16' beam made it hard to beat any closer than that.
Her hull speed was 8 knots and she could manage that in 15 or so knots of wind aft.

That photo of a double headsail with furled main reminds me of how I spent
most of the 17 days it took to get to Hawaii from King Harbor in 1981!
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Edit: Ha I just saw that I posted a similar response back in April! I'll leave this up anyway.

Our last boat was a 52' 30 ton motorsailer designed by Phil Rhodes.
She sailed like a sailboat until maybe 45 degrees from the wind.
The 16' beam made it hard to beat any closer than that.
Her hull speed was 8 knots and she could manage that in 15 or so knots of wind aft.

That photo of a double headsail with furled main reminds me of how I spent
most of the 17 days it took to get to Hawaii from King Harbor in 1981!

Your 17 day Hawaii trip sounds like quite the adventure! I sometimes dream of long voyages like that, but then I snap out of it and realize I donít really want to do that. Iíve motorsailed to the Bahamas a few times, and thatís enough for me currently.
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Your 17 day Hawaii trip sounds like quite the adventure! I sometimes dream of long voyages like that, but then I snap out of it and realize I donít really want to do that.
LOL!

I can relate! The only real sailing dream/goal I had (when younger) was to singlehand to Hawaii. But then, like you said, I don't really have that desire anymore...
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Your 17 day Hawaii trip sounds like quite the adventure! I sometimes dream of long voyages like that, but then I snap out of it and realize I donít really want to do that. Iíve motorsailed to the Bahamas a few times, and thatís enough for me currently.
When I pick the next boat, ocean crossing range is high on my list of requirements.
Which part of the world I find 'the one' in will determine the itinerary from there.

Many writers have described what it's like crossing an ocean better than I ever could.
That feeling of being utterly self-reliant 1000 miles from land is a drug like no other.
40 years later I'm ready for another fix! Next time with a few more luxuries, though.
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When I pick the next boat, ocean crossing range is high on my list of requirements.

Which part of the world I find 'the one' in will determine the itinerary from there.



Many writers have described what it's like crossing an ocean better than I ever could.

That feeling of being utterly self-reliant 1000 miles from land is a drug like no other.

40 years later I'm ready for another fix! Next time with a few more luxuries, though.

Yeah, it always sounds so romantic and interesting when I read about long voyages. However, my wife is def not interested in anything like that and doesnít like traveling at night. She was freaked out about her first Bahamas crossing when we left Lake Worth around 3am, even though she slept through most of it. Lol.

Also, Iíve realized Iím just not as meticulous as I would need to be to make a long ocean voyage. Iíve got a little too much ďoh screw it, letís just goĒ, I can fix it if it breaks mentality. I can get away with this coastal cruising and in the Bahamas somewhat, but it would bite me on an ocean crossing I think.
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