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Old 05-27-2022, 03:55 PM   #1
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Pipe Davit Winch Recommendation?

Looks like our existing Dayton winch has no brake and that makes it useless to me in lifting our new 400# dinghy. Looking for a recommendation for a good 12V winch that has a brake.
The Warn AXON 35 looks nice - wondering what others have used?
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Hi Markpj23,

I suggest you chat up Warn and confirm just what their "mechanical brake" consists of. Also confirm what their "line pull" spec really means. Usually, winches are rated for what the winch can pull, but the manufacturers seldom specify the grade, or surface, or whatever that pull is against. This is significantly different from the actual line load at stall, which is always specified as a function of drum wraps for hoists. Personally, I would not use a winch for a dinghy hoist, particularly one your size. I would use a HOIST, which is specifically designed to stop a load once power is removed. Something like this: https://www.warn.com/12v-dc2000-indu...st-winch-63899

Yup, MUCH more expensive. Sigh.

I've tried many, many "winches", both cheap and expensive, from Warn and others, as dinghy hoist motors. NONE had other than a modest drag on the winch line, if power was removed (i.e.-the hoisting operation was stopped to swing out the davit, for instance). Thus, constant blipping of the up-button was required to hold the dinghy in place mid-pull. Winches are designed to pull stuff, not raise and lower things.

Sometimes, you can get away with multiple block and tackle to reduce the line load, and thus get by with a winch. Or, you can oversize the winch, and hope the drum drag is sufficient. But often you run into drum capacity issues, and attendant tangling and general hasselation, and thus a substandard (or worse-unsafe) operation. I wish Rule still made there 2200 winch. It did, indeed, have a line lock, and at a reasonable price. Sigh again.

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Old 05-27-2022, 06:17 PM   #3
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Hi Markpj23,

I suggest you chat up Warn and confirm just what their "mechanical brake" consists of. Also confirm what their "line pull" spec really means. Usually, winches are rated for what the winch can pull, but the manufacturers seldom specify the grade, or surface, or whatever that pull is against. This is significantly different from the actual line load at stall, which is always specified as a function of drum wraps for hoists. Personally, I would not use a winch for a dinghy hoist, particularly one your size. I would use a HOIST, which is specifically designed to stop a load once power is removed. Something like this: https://www.warn.com/12v-dc2000-indu...st-winch-63899

Yup, MUCH more expensive. Sigh.



I've tried many, many "winches", both cheap and expensive, from Warn and others, as dinghy hoist motors. NONE had other than a modest drag on the winch line, if power was removed (i.e.-the hoisting operation was stopped to swing out the davit, for instance). Thus, constant blipping of the up-button was required to hold the dinghy in place mid-pull. Winches are designed to pull stuff, not raise and lower things.

Sometimes, you can get away with multiple block and tackle to reduce the line load, and thus get by with a winch. Or, you can oversize the winch, and hope the drum drag is sufficient. But often you run into drum capacity issues, and attendant tangling and general hasselation, and thus a substandard (or worse-unsafe) operation. I wish Rule still made there 2200 winch. It did, indeed, have a line lock, and at a reasonable price. Sigh again.

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Many thanks - hoist is exactly what I need for this. Surprisingly they are not that much more expensive. Much appreciated.
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I think Golo makes what you are looking for. Golowinch.com.
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Warn does (or did) make high quality hoists. I just rebuilt my1995 Warn H2000 hoist with new Bushings, Sun gear, Driveshaft, Gaskets and a Brake. Thankfully the 3 stage planetary gears/bushings were in fine shape after 26 years of service. The hardest part was removing all of the old grease and then vacuum impregnating the bushings with oil.

The folks at Warn were easy to deal with and despite the fact that the hoist model that I have is no longer is available, most of the parts from their current line up, also fit my unit. It seems to be a good design, has held up well lifting 1000 #, but today it's just called something different. That's marketing for you.

I concur, get a hoist not a winch, simply because of the brake. My old brake worked well. I replaced it because I was in there, and it's a safety item. Total cost for parts, about $500.00.
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I gave up on electric winches. Went with an Andersen 18 self tailing winch and a DeWalt hole hog right angle drill for power. It's slower, but works fine.

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I gave up on electric winches. Went with an Andersen 18 self tailing winch and a DeWalt hole hog right angle drill for power. It's slower, but works fine.

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Good solution but unless I could find a used one the current price is actually more than the Warn dc1000.
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Good solution but unless I could find a used one the current price is actually more than the Warn dc1000.
If cost is the yardstick, definitely not the right solution. Not only the winch, but some sort of base adapter needs fabrication, and the setup needs a brake of some sort. I went with a Garhauer line clutch. All I can tell you is there will never be an instance where I go to raise the dinghy and be unable to do so. Never. A stark difference from the winches I've had over the years. Not a lot of "Plan B" built into those puppies.

Good luck.

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We have 2 Warn 12VDC hoists on our boom, I believe they are original 2011 gear. We use them frequently and they are trouble free, aside from some coating failure and corrosion (they have been outside/covered for 10+ years so not a criticism).

You can find them on sale in the 4x4 community, on occasion.
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