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Old 09-26-2020, 02:56 PM   #1
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USCG v USCG AUX Inspections

So, most years while at a yacht club spring party in March, the USCG AUX is availble to perform safety inspections and you receive your yearly sticker. I do this every year.

Last year (2019) we were boarded by the USCG and they conducted a safety check. When asked if we had been inspected recently, I replied yes as I showed them the sticker and USCG AUX paper. They stated no that was not the "real" Coast Guard. So they performed a safety inspection looking at the same items the Aux would look at.

So here is my question: Why have a safety inspection done by the Aux if it is not really recognized by the USCG anyway?
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Old 09-26-2020, 03:27 PM   #2
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To help you identify any safety or regulatory gaps and correct them. The AUX won't write you up for fines based on what they see. The CG might/will.

The sticker is not a guarantee that you won't be boarded and inspected.

The "You Are Golden" copy from a recent CG inspection will cover you for three months, IIRC.

In fact if they are out on a training day they will probably board you so that their guys can get the experience.
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In Michigan if you are displaying a current sticker state LE are not supposed to stop you for a safety check. It is in the state law. They can still stop you if you are doing something illegal. The CG here tends not to stop you either since they know that you were compliant at some point in the current year so they usually look for boats without a current sticker. However they are required to make X number of boardings per year to maintain their individual qualifications and also to meet the stations goals. So they may stop every boat until they reach the required number of boardings. And it might also tip you off that something like your flares are out of date before LE stops you. Another good thing is that you can ask questions about the safety equipment and boating in general, the CG doesnít want to chat with you usually. They want to get the boarding done and move on to the next boarding or whatever. The vessel examiner will usually chat about whatever as long as you are willing to sit and talk. So there are quite a few reasons to get the voluntary examination.
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Because guys get a USCGAUX sticker hoping they won't get stopped later in the year when they aren't compliant.

In places along the ACIW I have been.... the USCG could care less if you have a sticker or not...they will board

My recommendation is if you have a dozen or more years of serious boating.....don't bother with the AUX sticker.
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Old 09-26-2020, 05:26 PM   #5
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The USCG Aux is just a bunch of volunteers that like to get involved on your local water front and wear uniforms. They have no status whatsoever regarding safety, navigation or licensing. They like to conduct ď safety ď inspections, pass out stickers and generally participate in Christmas and holiday parades. I conducted two losses one in SoCal and one in Florida where the local Commodoreís vessel sunk at the dock the other burned. The real USCG normally if rarely boards a vessel for a real safety inspection. They board for suspicion of violations like, drugs, drinking, illegal charter ops, too many onboard vs vessel rating, reckless operation etc etc. . Those crews arent hull inpectors so they arenít going to check your propane installation, fuel lines, thru hulls you know what I mean. Over the years (40 +-) Iíve found these groups more of an obstruction than anything else. On the other hand I find the Power Squadron does a fine job along with a copy of Chapmans .
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While less than perfect, the USCG manages to save a few here and there despite the average boater being clueless.

Also, I can see your point about looking for bigger issues than boating safety...but a huge number of boardings are safety related compliance.
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I've been boarded twice in 6 years for safety inspections. The second time they said didn't need to board as I had a current AUX sticker. Since they had 6 people in the boat, i asked if they were looking for a training opportunity and the answer was yes so they came aboard. My son had been in the same situation on the USCGC Adelie so i was glad to help out.

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The Auxiliary purpose is to save lives through education, vessel safety checks and some support operations. The VSC checks (not inspections) your required and recommended equipment BEFORE you actually need it or you are boarded for compliance by law enforcement officers which includes the regular USCG. Prior to 9/11, the USCG budget and manning was cut on avg 4 out of 5 years. The regulars appreciated the help from a local division. I’ve been out since 2003 and have seen many improvements in the regulars funding.
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So here is my question: Why have a safety inspection done by the Aux if it is not really recognized by the USCG anyway?
Pretty simple and I think you already know the answer...

USCGAux & USPS (AKA Americas Boating Club) both perform voluntary no penalty, no report safety checks. No harm no foul if/when they point out a deficiency and you get a chance to correct it before a USCG or LEO boarding/ inspection that has real consequences if they find a deficiency.
There is no guarantee that displaying a decal will avoid any inspections but many I have spoken to will admit given a choice tgey will likely stop a boat w/o a decal. They (LEO) have also stopped and inspected 4 boats displaying decals... 3 that I inspected and mine that another USPS VSE performed. When done I inquired why? The response... training of a new LEO.
I have also been cruising w 3 other boats and only one stopped by USCG boarded and quickly completed a safety check w no issues cited.
Nothing is guaranteed or 100%...
Anyone can do their own inspection with a decent checklist available online if you believe the decal is worthless and don't value another pair of eyes looking over your boat.
I volunteer to do USPS VSCs as a service and have never "pushed" them... I do them on request and "customers" generally repeat from year to year and a few new ones via word of mouth or online awareness / request.
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Old 09-26-2020, 07:16 PM   #10
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A lot depends on your boat and the day. I was boarded 3 times in one year doing the Loop. They see a big boat on the water when few are out and want to train the rookies. My boat is a challenge to them as it goes slow enough that they can do an underway boarding. Inspite of having the auxiliary sticker, they're still boarding because it's an enclosed boat that adds a degree of uncertainty, not like a 25' center console.

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Old 09-26-2020, 07:38 PM   #11
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Never been boarded by USCG over fifty years of periodical on-and-off boating. (During the last ten years my home berth is a quarter mile from the local USCG station.) ... Behave seaman-like and avoid having half-naked "babes" on display.
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I tried to get an inspection when i bought the boat and after several weeks was informed they wouldn't do an inspection and suggested i watch a few you tube videos. I wanted there suggestions for mounting safety gear. I guess if they wont do inspections i don't have to worry about getting boarded. I still am not sure if things are how they should be.
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WOW, I'm a FSO-VE for the USCG AUX
We do the same training as the regular CG. We train an average of three days a week with them. Our VE inspections are not a joke. We look for things that, yes can sink your boat. We do the same inspections as the Power Squadron. If the VE is doing his or her job, we can save a Life with our inspection. Yes we do the exact if not more than the regular CG.

Last year our squard saved several lives. So next time you have an emergency call 911 and see what happens. We train to save lives. Most of us are ex law enforcement or ex service with years of experience.
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Because of covid our inspections have been put on hold, we are now back as long as the owner wears a mask and the VE feels safe. Safety is number one for both parties
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I would never have an AUX inspection. Too many I've see think they have power they don't or think they know more than they do. Now, in some areas of the country it may be different, but on our lake in NC, the Wildlife Commission paid zero attention to inspection decals and here, in South Florida, you'd get the same value out of buying a red dot sticker and plastering it on.

I know there are well intentioned inspectors and I think they do often help beginning boaters make sure they have what they need. I don't think they serve a purpose for experienced boaters. Self inspect.

I feel bad for the dedicated AUX and PS members who are so often undermined by others who act as if they have some power or level of authority that they don't.
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Iím not a fan of the cgaux. The regular USCG boards about once every 5 years. Always professionals.
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Interesting responses. I posted this to see if other folks had experience what I have.

I think the AUX performs a valuable service, but if the real USCG doesn't recognize the value, why fund it.

I would have to agree there are some that think as an AUX they have LEO powers.

For example: During an AUX inspection on the Columbia River the AUX inspector insisted that I MUST have the holding tank macerator switch safety wired in the off position and my 3-way valve secured with a lock or electrical tie in the tank position. I stated that was incorrect. We were not in a NDZ.

Look in Boater's Guide to the Federal Requirments for Recreational Boaters. Page 35, Marine Sanitation Devices ( 33 CFR 159).

He read it and informed me that it was incorrect.

Hint: Puget Sound is the ONLY federally designated " No Dump Zone" in Washington State.

So I think the AUX really need to receive more training in the rules they are trying to guide you on, and some support from the USCG or disband them.
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The Coast Guard can stop you and conduct a routine safety inspection any time they want. Usually it's only done when they suspect some wrong doing. When I commercial fished, I think I was in a training area and the fishermen in the area were inspected several times a year. The Coast Guard crew were always very professional.
IMO the CG auxiliary are like want-to-be cops. People that like to enforce rules. I wouldn't let one on my boat. Luckily, you rarely see them at sea.
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Can you refuse an auxiliary inspection?
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Can you refuse an auxiliary inspection?
Of course. I have dozens of times. Most accept it politely. Occasionally one gets bent out of shape.
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