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Old 10-03-2020, 01:18 PM   #9321
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Fales is a copy of a Willard. A business deal gone bad.
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Old 10-03-2020, 03:31 PM   #9322
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Fales is a copy of a Willard. A business deal gone bad.
That's correct. The tooling for the 30' Vega-Class hull was sent to Fales on the East coast to save shipping expenses among other considerations. Anecdotally, the Fales yard was supposedly near, a division of or somehow associated with Tillotson/Pearson. After the first 10 or so boats were built, Fales extended the hull by 2' and began marketing it as a Fales 32, ignoring the agreements with Willard. According to Willard, they chose not to pursue legal actions, rather focusing their efforts on their military and limited civilian boat building. The Willard/Fales line was often called the "Pocket Battleship of small Trawlers.

I owned a 30' version of the Fales 30 named "Boomarang" which was well known on this forum. It was originally owned by one of the TF founders. She is on the market right now in Tarpon Springs, FL.
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Old 10-03-2020, 05:06 PM   #9323
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Willard did make a sailboat w a cabin much like other sailboats. Called the Eight Ton. Another model called the horizon was a motorsailer. All the others were rec trawlers.
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Old 10-03-2020, 08:20 PM   #9324
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I owned a 30' version of the Fales 30 named "Boomarang" which was well known on this forum. It was originally owned by one of the TF founders. She is on the market right now in Tarpon Springs, FL.



Now that's a nice little boat.
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Old 10-03-2020, 08:20 PM   #9325
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Willard did make a sailboat w a cabin much like other sailboats. Called the Eight Ton. Another model called the horizon was a motorsailer. All the others were rec trawlers.
Thanks for that info. I'll have to look into that.
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Old 10-03-2020, 08:27 PM   #9326
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Deks Olje is another similar product to Cetol and very easy to use...
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I`ve used both of the above, to me they are not really similar. Deks Olje application starts with a wood saturation using D/O #1, multiple serial coats until the wood won`t accept any more, then maintained by periodic reapplication, with the option of applying D/O#2 which is a glossy (?polyurethane) finish. Cetol is applied like varnish, but from removing excess from fingers etc, it does seem more like oil than varnish. It has a way better varnish like gloss,and it lasts longer,than D/O#2.
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Old 10-03-2020, 09:36 PM   #9327
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Bruce,
The Deks Olje sequence sounds like my oiling procedure and their reasons for the different coatings sound the same. Penetration to start and heavy coating to finish sounds a lot like my time honored drill.

I’ve used neither DO or Cetol.

But for many years I’ve painted by starting w first highly thinned coats followed by not so thinned coats and finally full strength. But that was always using the same finish product .. thinning being the only difference. Later on for varnish I start w 75% kerosene as a vehicle to take the oil as far into the wood as possible. Of course the kero evaporates.
Many paints and/or coatings use primers. But there may be other under coatings that will help hold the top coat to the undercoats and the all that it is applied to.
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Old 10-04-2020, 02:45 AM   #9328
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This boat looks like a Willard Hull. Willard did make an “Eight Ton Ketch”. I think that was right. Long time ago.
I remember the “Eight Ton” title was due to its weight, including 4K lbs of iron and concrete ballast.
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Howdy Fam. I was passing through Bay City Michigan this morning, and I saw this interesting craft. She’s been sitting on the hard here for a few years now, and I always mean to snap a pic, but never seem to get around to it. She looks like a motor sailor of some sort. She’s got a bowsprit and chainplates. Looks to be about 34-38 feet, and most likely fiberglass. Sorry for the potatophone quality pics, I was zoomed all the way in.

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Howdy Fam. I was passing through Bay City Michigan this morning, and I saw this interesting craft. She’s been sitting on the hard here for a few years now, and I always mean to snap a pic, but never seem to get around to it. She looks like a motor sailor of some sort. She’s got a bowsprit and chainplates. Looks to be about 34-38 feet, and most likely fiberglass. Sorry for the potatophone quality pics, I was zoomed all the way in.

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Looks like another Jay Benford design.

A caricature of a boat, and a boat, at the same time.
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Bow is different, more clipper, less plumb. But Mr Benford has a fairly profuse catalog of designs, so if not this one, one like it.
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Howdy Fam. I was passing through Bay City Michigan this morning, and I saw this interesting craft. She’s been sitting on the hard here for a few years now, and I always mean to snap a pic, but never seem to get around to it. She looks like a motor sailor of some sort. She’s got a bowsprit and chainplates. Looks to be about 34-38 feet, and most likely fiberglass. Sorry for the potatophone quality pics, I was zoomed all the way in.

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Hmmmm, another entry level boat. Looks seaworthy.
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Interesting Hatteras

Kind of hard to find an interesting Hat, but this one seems over the top. I need to be careful to not show this to the admiral or my bank account will take a big hit. Maybe the owner should put it on Pinterest.

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Kind of hard to find an interesting Hat, but this one seems over the top. I need to be careful to not show this to the admiral or my bank account will take a big hit. Maybe the owner should put it on Pinterest.

https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...acht--3723385/
Well, I for one would never consider purchasing this vessel as there was a glaring omission in its overarching design philosophy; the colour palette and design scheme wasn't continued into the engine room. How gauche!
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Kind of hard to find an interesting Hat, but this one seems over the top. I need to be careful to not show this to the admiral or my bank account will take a big hit. Maybe the owner should put it on Pinterest.
https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1...acht--3723385/
Seeing this reminds me of a new Greenline 40 I saw at a Netherlands dealer some years back. It was being prepped for the owner and part of the prep work involved painting the hull entirely black. This was before Greenline was offering any hull color options. The boat was aptly named "RISTRETTO".

I noticed it on the market only about a year after this. I wonder if the owner got tired of the black hull showing up every single water spot. Since then, I've noticed a number of dark-hulled boats that, really, should never have left the showroom. They're a maintenance nightmare - if not for the water spots, then for UV damage/fading risks and poor wax-job risks.
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Kind of hard to find an interesting Hat, but this one seems over the top. I need to be careful to not show this to the admiral or my bank account will take a big hit. Maybe the owner should put it on Pinterest.

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Donsan - She's a beauty... TY for posting.

That's how our hull rides in similar sea conditions. Love the first photo! The 1977 Hatt is basically an enlarged design of our 1977 Tolly. Those wave conditions make it thrilling to pilot from an open bridge. However it can get wet enough up there so that going to lower helm becomes more comfortable.

I would like to own that boat!!
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I wouldn't take that boat for free. I think it was owned by a clothing designer, hence the all black. It would take a small fortune to un-design it.
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He had a piece of history and manage to totally screw it up.
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Man - Of the last 4 posts - 3 don't get the picture.

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