Again .... Safe Boat Propane Installations.
Or just changing the bottle out to a fiberglass one that can't rust.
our boat has been surveyed three times without out issue.
I did have one surveyor who tried to tell me that it was "non-compliant" with ABYC. Before I fired him, I called ABYC and spoke with their technical staff and he thought it was safe.
I would just suggest putting something under the bottom of the tank to raise it up off the floor so it doesn't leave a rust ring on the floor..
Firstly, I contacted SAMS, not ABYC (I made the correction to my original post).
By the way, thanks for making my point that ABYC and the surveyor community are in the business of marketing and selling safety.
Oh yeah. If I ever get a boat with propane again the bottles WILL be plastic. Trying to keep the rust off steel bottles is a never ending torture.
Steel and plastic/fiberglass are not the only two choices. The propane locker on our cabin cruiser is the port flying bridge seat base. We replaced the single BBQ-style steel (and rusting) bottle that came with the boat with a pair of Worthington horizontal marine tanks made of aluminum. Not the least expensive option on the planet but well worth the cost in our opinions. We also have a pair of 1.5 gallon Worthington vertical aluminum tanks in rail mounts for the barbeque.
First of all as a SAMS AMS I can assure you that SAMS does not have a "technical staff" in fact there are only two full time admin office staff who could not, will not provide opinions on such a matter although they might be able to coordinate your mailing list and publish a newsletter for you. I don't know who you called (apparently neither do you) but it was not SAMS.
and...... yes we are in the business of promoting safety.
Yes, safety features cost money, but I do not want to take my family or friends on a potentially questionable boat.
My solution to rusting propane tanks is pretty simple - I exchange them rather than refilling them. I have no worries about rust or inspection.
I know precisely who I called. SAMS happened to be having their annual business/policy meeting when I called their office and I was forwarded to a surveyor who was at that meeting. In any case, if SAMS does not have a standing oversight staff, then it is no wonder that standardization is so abysmal.
In any case, if SAMS does not have a standing oversight staff, then it is no wonder that standardization is so abysmal.
standardized SAMS inspector?
GIGANTIC THREAD CREEP--- BoatPoker: When was your boat built? From your avatar photo it's a beautiful design. You can answer here or start a thread called Benford 38 if you wish. Thanks much.
2002 but I don't get your point. Are we not still on LPG/standards ? I made no reference to my boat.
2002 but I don't get your point. Are we not still on LPG/standards ? I made no reference to my boat.
So first it was ABYC, Then it was SAMS technical department and now it is a SAMS general business meeting ..... you called them at a business meeting and after flying in to Jacksonville from all over the country to conduct the business aspectd of SAMS, a secretary called one of them out of that meeting to answer a general query ?????? Your credibility is waning.
So even if you didn't call them they still should do things your way ?
Your credibility is now gone. You obviously know little about what SAMS or ABYC does nor how they function under their charters.
. Yes, I did call the SAMS office, who connected me with an inspector at the national meeting. He said my system was the same as on his boat, which he thought was AOK.
How does one "fire" a surveyor? I mean you hire him/her to survey the boat, they do it and you pay them. Are you saying you refused to pay after they did the work?............... At that point I learned that SAMS is an unstandardized sham and fired my surveyor. ......
You First said you called ABYC then it became a SAMS tech service person, then it became a SAMS inspector during an annual meeting.
Unfortunately for you you will never find a SAMS surveyor in that office during the annual meeting because the annual meetings are held in different cities each year (Toronto, San Diego, London etc. and the office is closed during that period.
Again I don't know who you talked to but it wasn't SAMS or ABYC, a janitor perhaps ?.
How does one "fire" a surveyor? I mean you hire him/her to survey the boat, they do it and you pay them. Are you saying you refused to pay after they did the work?
Still playing around with minutia... I spoke with a SAMS surveyor (I thought they were considered technical...but maybe not) at an annual meeting...think it was in Jacksonville.
The organization collects dues, issues certificates, and very little else....by your own admission.
You never called anyone at an annual meeting unless you already had their cell phone number so you must already know who you talked to. There have been no annual meetings at the Jacksonville office So how did you track down the hotel in another city, did you call the hotel and ask for someone from SAMS ? Your story is preposterous
Please show me where I posted this admission ?
You sling a lot of insults and never answer directly any challenges to your fanciful stories.