Northern Spy
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Really what most of us do is piloting, not navigation, per se.
Most vessels of any kind in Canada have an obligation to carry and use official charts and publications and to keep them up to date. ..............
In Canadian waters , Canadian chart regs require vector charts use. Using raster requires you carry paper as backup. Considering raster is scanned paper, this doesn't make sense to me.
No they are not.
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So a USA boater intending to do the loop would have to buy Canadian paper charts or stay in the USA?
Charts are not required on vessels under 100 tons.No, what are not? Who are you disagreeing with and on what?
Charts are not required on vessels under 100 tons.
No worries. Misunderstanding on my part.
Now, I don't know how someone in an area for the first time could really meet the exclusion requirements. I don't think they're heavily enforced in that regard but can see problems in the event of an accident.
That's fine. Anything that makes it clearer. You went straight to the source as did I. I just didn't initially quote the full section.
Now, I don't know how someone in an area for the first time could really meet the exclusion requirements. I don't think they're heavily enforced in that regard but can see problems in the event of an accident.
Charts are not required on vessels under 100 tons.
I didn't know there was any disagreement.
For those of us with US flagged vessels and boat in Canadian waters, carrying paper charts seems logical and a requirement. A few months ago there was a long thread on the issues surrounding a US flagged commercial vessel that disastrously ran aground in Northern BC. The court proceedings will indeed involve charting discussions.
A chart book is cheap and easy to stow. The one I bought for all of Puget Sound even came with a DVD so I could fool around on a laptop. Heck, I even had one for the navigable waters from St Louis to Minneapolis.
So are paper charts needed? It depends. The same question applies for other safety gear. I just had my life raft re-packed. Just renewed my Beacon registration. Just received my 2017 Customs sticker. USCG registration due soon. Gotta stay legal.
Because of post 39 and 41.OK, so who of us here has a 100 ton boat? I think mine is 10 tons.
I don't think there was a disagreement but I'm wondering why the Canadian requirement was even posted if it doesn't apply to our boats.
OK, so who of us here has a 100 ton boat? I think mine is 10 tons.
I don't think there was a disagreement but I'm wondering why the Canadian requirement was even posted if it doesn't apply to our boats.
I cruised from Key West to Texas with my Garmin plotter and my Garmin app on the iPad. I'm not saying that was the right thing to do, but that's what I did. I have never really used paper charts so I guess that's why I felt comfortable. Looking back however, if my electronics would have failed me going across the Gulf, with no cell service or paper charts, I would have possibly been in trouble figuring out my position. I did have a PLB with me.
Question:
If my boat electronics/GPS failed due to lightening or whatever, would the GPS on my cell phone or iPad still show my location in the middle of the gulf even if I didn't have cell service? I can't remember if the iPad GPS continued working without cell service.
Does everyone know that you can do navigation skills on notepaper and/or a maneuvering board and take/give the same info and plotting skill from an electronic display without using the navigation program built in?
If you like paper great...there are many ways to approach this unless by law you are required to have paper charts aboard.
There is something about people liking saying that it requires more navigation skills to use paper. Well, it requires more skill to add and multiply without a calculator, but in neither case does the electronic method preclude using those skills. It requires skills to properly utilize electronics as well and some people who continue to use paper charts never fully develop those skills.
In the future there will be people who never learn about paper charts and their ability to navigate won't be better or worse simply because of that. How many people here do celestial navigation? How many have sextants aboard? And my bet is of those who do, they're not depending on celestial navigation but use it in conjunction with other navigation for pleasure.
I don't believe electronic navigation is a fair comparison to math with a calculator. In order to solve a math problem you still need to understand all of the variables and account for them even if you use a calculator to compute the final answer, with electronic navigation you can easily ignore several significant factors (leeway, current, variation, deviation, . . .) and still arrive at your destination as long as you keep the boat pointed at the next waypoint.
I would guess that the majority of members of this forum started boating before chart plotters became prevalent and wouldn't blink if theirs were to fail while underway but there is a growing number of boaters that have only known boating with the convenience of the ever present "You Are Here" screen staring at them. Another interesting (to me at least) trend I have noticed is first time boaters buying much bigger boats than in the past. Historically, most boaters work their way up from runabouts to cuddy cabins to cabin cruisers in the upper 30 to mid 40' range. Now you have retirees who finally have time to get into boating and can afford to do it comfortably buying a 40' yacht as their first boat. If you start boating in smaller boats you are less likely to leave sight of land until you have been boating for several years and may be in your second or third boat. Now there are first time boat owners buying offshore capable boats and the electronic packages make it child's play to find your way wherever your heart takes you. Nothing right or wrong about it, just interesting to me.
There is something about people liking saying that it requires more navigation skills to use paper. Well, it requires more skill to add and multiply without a calculator, but in neither case does the electronic method preclude using those skills. It requires skills to properly utilize electronics as well and some people who continue to use paper charts never fully develop those skills.
In the future there will be people who never learn about paper charts and their ability to navigate won't be better or worse simply because of that. How many people here do celestial navigation? How many have sextants aboard? And my bet is of those who do, they're not depending on celestial navigation but use it in conjunction with other navigation for pleasure.