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Old 03-25-2020, 07:30 PM   #321
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True about the Erie canal.
All can say is that the Erie canal was turning a considerable a profit before it was even finished end to end. Also I'm pretty sure in upstate New York a drought year still has way more rain than the wettest year in Las Vegas so water for the Eire canal is a considerably less rare resource than water for Las Vegas.

Now a days maintenance of the Erie canal may be a money loser but a lot of people besides trawlers get to use it at minimal cost compared to Las Vegas.

Subsidizing parks is different than subsidizing casinos.
I vote for the parks but I spend more time there.
Besides they can build casinos in places that need much less support.
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Old 03-25-2020, 07:41 PM   #322
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It is still a commercial canal because one or two ship things via the Erie. There is an economy of shops etc next to the canal.
Close the Erie, and the local economy will suffer.
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Old 03-25-2020, 11:33 PM   #323
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Back to the Cruise Industry for a moment.

The Florida Attorney General is investigating allegations that Norwegian Cruise Line gave "misleading and potentially dangerous sales pitches" to customers that downplayed the risks of Coronavirus. Seems some internal emails revealed what they were encouraging their sales force to say including things like the only thing you have to worry about is do you have your sunscreen.

Norwegian also said they planned to resume cruises on April 12.
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Back to the Cruise Industry for a moment.

The Florida Attorney General is investigating allegations that Norwegian Cruise Line gave "misleading and potentially dangerous sales pitches" to customers that downplayed the risks of Coronavirus. Seems some internal emails revealed what they were encouraging their sales force to say including things like the only thing you have to worry about is do you have your sunscreen.

Norwegian also said they planned to resume cruises on April 12.
Norwegian`s defense could rely on President Trump`s advice that CV was less troublesome than flu,could be a small problem, etc. Even now he expects it can all be over in weeks not months. By Easter, which fits nicely with Norwegian`s resumption date. He`s President of the USA, he must know best.
Norwegian could rely on that. I wish I could.
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Maybe it is time for the cruise industry to realize the Captain of the Port has teeth and can refuse entry of a cruise ship or any ship into any harbor. Miami and Ft Lauderdale are VERY important to the cruise industry.... Close these ports to a specific ship can ruin that ship's ability to produce revenue.
The cruise industry MUST learn to comply to any and all regulations.
Sure, the ship/cruise line can and no doubt will sue the port but, that same port authority can force the ship to anchor out until the case is settle in the court.
The ship needs the port far more than the port needs the the ship.
The Captain of the port has closed Ft Lauderdale and Miami during heavy weather, to protect the port. They can close the port because of pretty much anything. Send it to the court..... it can take a long time to get it through the court. There are many many reasons to close a port to a ship. So many things to inspect and verify before the ship is allowed into port. Have the crew physically lay out the PFDs out to be counted is but one reason. Yea, it will take time to count them. Let's make the ship's captain physically collect and take to custom's the passports of the passenger's and the crew's papers... Then there is the fresh fruit and meat that needs to be inspected. So many regulations have, in the past, been 'rubber stamped' .... Now, let's follow the letter of the law.
Yup, it will destroy some local businesses but, in the interest of protection the port .... just too daymned bad. The cruise industry is not too big to fail.
Even I cannot fathom the enforcement of every piece of luggage must be inspected and the owner interviewed. This would result in a huge slow down of passengers disembarking. This would result in "no one wanting to book passage on the offending ship."
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Or the cruise line could offer the local officials a small consulting or lobbying fee after they retire. Remember it is only a bribe if it is small unmarked bills in a paper bag.

The question is who are our leaders looking out for!
Does not seem they are doing their job looking out for the people who pay their salary.
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So, has anyone read all 880 pages of the stimulus bill yet?

I couldn't find any specific reference to cruise lines, but then again, I assume it would be hidden under some different terminology so my quick searches wouldn't find it.

Maybe someone who knows more about how these things work can figure it out...
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So, has anyone read all 880 pages of the stimulus bill yet?

I couldn't find any specific reference to cruise lines, but then again, I assume it would be hidden under some different terminology so my quick searches wouldn't find it.

Maybe someone who knows more about how these things work can figure it out...
Naw, I just read the summary only 22 pages
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GEOSPATIAL RESEARCH, ANALYSIS, AND SERVICES PROGRAM: VESSEL SANITATION
PROGRAM $7.5 million to expand mapping efforts of coronavirus infection hot spots, including for
cruise ships, and to provide technical assistance to support the capacity of the cruise line industry to address
environmental health concerns associated with coronavirus.
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Naw, I just read the summary only 22 pages
If only someone hadn't done something like this before... oh wait, they did, in Singapore:

https://www.againstcovid19.com/singapore/dashboard
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If only someone hadn't done something like this before... oh wait, they did, in Singapore:

https://www.againstcovid19.com/singapore/dashboard
I don't understand what your link has to do with my post
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I don't understand what your link has to do with my post
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GEOSPATIAL RESEARCH, ANALYSIS, AND SERVICES PROGRAM: VESSEL SANITATION PROGRAM $7.5 million to expand mapping efforts of coronavirus infection hot spots, including for cruise ships, and to provide technical assistance to support the capacity of the cruise line industry to address environmental health concerns associated with coronavirus.
$7.5 million. To reinvent the wheel. I'm guessing there's going to be a lot of that going on. Why use what's already been done? Can't charge for that!
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Tried to go to againstcovid19.
Didn't see any thing but fund raiser anybody know if site is even real?
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Looks like everyone is getting a piece of the pie except people like me who make too much money.

The Feds are going to give $7.5 mil to fight a specific disease without an ending date.
Next year a new disease.... more money.
At some point the cruise lines can accept the Fed money and give us all a free cruise to free.
I want my fair share in fuel and food and spare parts and maintenance vouchers for my boat.
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Other than the $7.5 million above there is nothing in the bill directly addressing help for the cruise industry. Trump sure danced around it today with talk of how wonderful Arison is and how great the Cruise Industry is and how many jobs on land by also acknowledging a problem helping a non-taxpayer. I think there may be an effort to try to quietly help them, but with all aid requests being immediately made public, it could be difficult.
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$7.5M? What would that buy? Spread it among all the cruise ships. Very little per ship. If anything, the cruise ships are the ones who owe the Govt and the people.
We can now thank Ruby Princess for over 160 cases of CV. 41 more than yesterday, and counting. And our authorities who incomprehensibly let them in. Damn them.
Fortunately, lesson learned. In Western Australia the WA Govt is asking for Federal(Navy)help to get one of several ships to "move on". Plainly, the sick people onboard will have to be helped, it`s our duty, and it`s only right. But with appropriate quarantine measures set in place.
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It appears that the cruise industry will not be getting bailout:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-stimulus-bill
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It appears that the cruise industry will not be getting bailout:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-stimulus-bill
At least not in this round.
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Looks like everyone is getting a piece of the pie except people like me who make too much money.
Then you're fortunate enough to be able to go without it. A great many people aren't. For a whole variety of reasons, no doubt. But in the face of the current situation this is not of their making. Seems pretty reasonable to focus aid on these folks.

Or not, I'm envisioning a whole new round of "it's their fault they're poor" abuse to come bubbling up.
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Greetings,
Mr. wk. A whole new round or the same dead horse?
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It appears that the cruise industry will not be getting bailout:

https://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...-stimulus-bill
Why should they? They are not American companies. That decision to domicile overseas to save on taxes does not look so smart now does it?
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