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Old 06-23-2017, 03:43 PM   #161
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Better to convert motorsailer to trawler.
We cruised with a guy who bought Bruce Van Sants's Shucker after he removed the stick. The last time we saw him, he was on his way to St Martens to put a mast and rigging back on. He hated the way the boat rolled and went back to vertical stabilizers.
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Old 06-23-2017, 04:12 PM   #162
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Interesting project!

Can't wait to see my pics. I am curious to see how the sheets and blocks are set up.

Will you have the ability to trim the jib and main from the helm?

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Yes this is the sail plan the Island Packet folks drew up back when they were still Island Packet. Basically the same as the SP Cruiser, but with a little shorter mast and smaller sail plan due to a little less ballast in my boat, and because I wanted a low stress setup that would last quite awhile and be easy to single hand.

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Very nice!
It looks like a very sensible design. Is your jib sail set up to be self tacking?
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Very nice!

It looks like a very sensible design. Is your jib sail set up to be self tacking?


Yes. Self tacking jib.
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Old 06-23-2017, 05:59 PM   #165
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Interesting project!



Can't wait to see my pics. I am curious to see how the sheets and blocks are set up.



Will you have the ability to trim the jib and main from the helm?



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No, not from the helm. The electric winch is right by the PH door and all lines run to it, so pretty close. Furling main sail.
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Yes. Self tacking jib.
Since cruising sailboats rarely go to windward while sailing . my sail-assisted motorboat only has one sheet for the jib as well as minimal keel. Tacking requires rolling the jib up and redeploying the sheet since the sailing rig is designed for reaches and downwind where it is the only practical use.



While the smaller mainsail is easiest to deploy/control and useful for more points of sail/direction.

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Furling mainsail and self tacking jib make for nice relaxing motorsailing.

If it's all easy to simple and tack, you'll find you use it often. Windward as well, up to about 25 degrees off the wind. Not that it adds much propulsion at that angle, but it stables out any quarterly swell so much.
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Furling mainsail and self tacking jib make for nice relaxing motorsailing.

If it's all easy to simple and tack, you'll find you use it often. Windward as well, up to about 25 degrees off the wind. Not that it adds much propulsion at that angle, but it stables out any quarterly swell so much.

I'm really looking forward to experimenting with the rig. I'm not a "real" sailor by any stretch. I've owned and sailed small boats for years, but nothing with furling sails, winches, etc.

I told the rigger I wanted something as simple to sail as possible, and something that I could easily single hand. I hope that's what I'm getting!
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Mark wrote;
"sailing rig is designed for reaches and downwind where it is the only practical use."

I thought the only practical use was steadying the roll. Of course when the engine becomes silent ... even the windage of the cabin and hull may be of use.
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We cruised with a guy who bought Bruce Van Sants's Shucker after he removed the stick. The last time we saw him, he was on his way to St Martens to put a mast and rigging back on. He hated the way the boat rolled and went back to vertical stabilizers.
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It's hard to swap and switch as there are so many not so noticable differences.

When I first thought seriously about trawlers I decided they were such barges I'd be better off converting a sailboat.
Most sailboats are skinny at both ends and fat in the middle. Trawlers are slab sided and fat everywhere. I think a good trawler could be had by being very selective about choosing a sailboat to convert. I noticed that some sailboats have much fuller ends than most. I was looking for a swing keel. Also I planed to gut the thing almost totally and put a NT like house on. And would retain a shortened mainmast and maybe not a marconi sail. A schooner rig would be ideal to start with because the mainmast is further aft but obviously won't be found in a small boat unless it was a Bolger boat. But a sailboat w wide chines and a bit stiff as a sailboat would be a big plus.

Decided it wasn't a good idea. But my knowlege is limited about sailboats. Could be a sailboat out there that would make a trawler. The Albin 27 may be OK but one would need to change the prop aft of the rudder configuration. But a nice hull.

A lot of sailboats go to Alaska every year pretending to be trawlers. There they are sitting in the cockpit in yellow trailing the dink w their sails stowed put puting along.
I remember in the 70's I had a 12 knot OB boat and was heading south from Juneau. The was a 45 or 50' blue sailboat that started and stopped the same place for several days. Was a whole bunch of mostly teenageas. The boat was flush decked. Sounded like it had a 2cyl Volvo. We'd do our usual day. Eat breakfast and perhaps socialize a bit on the docks, perhaps fuel and get underway about 10am. We'd see them on the way to the next harbor about mid day under power. We'd arrive at the next harbor (one of them was Namu) and just about 9pm we'd hear the put put sound, look out and see them comming. Don't remember if they sailed the boat from Australia but they probably did. It said "Royal YC of Sidney" or something like that on the starn.

Boats are much like airplanes. Way different airplanes .. ultralights to big twins and way different boats .. outboards to ship-like trawlers and motoryachts go forth in way different ways. I've done my cruising just about as often in a boat w an outside helm. I've been known to wear a motorcycle helmet in the rain thus wearing the wheelhouse on my head. Of course youth and money had a lot to do w it.
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Furling mainsail and self tacking jib make for nice relaxing motorsailing.

If it's all easy to simple and tack, you'll find you use it often. Windward as well, up to about 25 degrees off the wind. Not that it adds much propulsion at that angle, but it stables out any quarterly swell so much.


I've never had a self-tacking jib, but had considered seeing about trying to set that up with my Catalina 400 for times when I was single handing. That boat isn't setup for it at all, but it would sure be nice.
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I've never had a self-tacking jib, but had considered seeing about trying to set that up with my Catalina 400 for times when I was single handing. That boat isn't setup for it at all, but it would sure be nice.

Do you still have your Catalina? If so, do you take it out for a spin when you miss sailing?
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Mark wrote;
"sailing rig is designed for reaches and downwind where it is the only practical use."

I thought the only practical use was steadying the roll. Of course when the engine becomes silent ... even the windage of the cabin and hull may be of use.
Even Willard got into the mix with this 40 Stay-Sail Ketch. Although I never saw a 30, it would look spiffy.
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I've never had a self-tacking jib, but had considered seeing about trying to set that up with my Catalina 400 for times when I was single handing. That boat isn't setup for it at all, but it would sure be nice.
There are a few different ways to set up a self tacking jib. They are limited to about 80- 90% (#4) as they can be no overlap of the mast. Often there is a single control line run via a pulley at the base of the mast to the cockpit for trimming.
Mine has a club foot which is basically a boom for the jib, but most are soft-footed.
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My previous boat was a cutter. The staysail had a boom (self tacking) and a flying (high, outer) jib requiring adjusting the sheets when tacking. In stronger winds, the flying jib was the first retracted. Then a single reef of the mainsail. Never got to the second reef.
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Larry,
That jib is overpowering and it limits visability. But I like the little mizzen aft. Would be nice to cut the engine and fall in bow into the wind. Had a powerboat that actually did but it was a directionably unstable boat.
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Do you still have your Catalina? If so, do you take it out for a spin when you miss sailing?


I still have it only because I haven't sold it yet. I haven't taken it out much (although the last two days would have been great).

We have the boat stripped of all our personal gear so we haven't been taking it out sailing. I really should to just give the rigging some work.
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Convert trawler to motorsailer?

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Old 07-14-2017, 07:07 PM   #179
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Almost done.
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Mack Sails in Stuart did a good job. On budget. On time.

Test sail today. 4.5 knots SOG in about 10 knots of wind on a broad reach with no engine. That was better than I expected actually.
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