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Old 04-19-2021, 02:02 PM   #1
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Moriches Bay Conditions?

Each year we travel northeast from the Great South Bay, which means taking the desired route inside to the Peconic or taking the Fire Island Inlet and taking the ocean route east to Shinnecock Inlet. The last couple of years the shoaling in Moriches Bay around the Coast Guard Station has made us take the Fire Island option.

We're looking to travel northeast again this year in about 2 weeks. Does anyone know the current condition Moriches Bay around buoys 16 - 30? Our draft is 3' 8".
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Each year we travel northeast from the Great South Bay, which means taking the desired route inside to the Peconic or taking the Fire Island Inlet and taking the ocean route east to Shinnecock Inlet. The last couple of years the shoaling in Moriches Bay around the Coast Guard Station has made us take the Fire Island option.

We're looking to travel northeast again this year in about 2 weeks. Does anyone know the current condition Moriches Bay around buoys 16 - 30? Our draft is 3' 8".

Go out FI!


And PS-my brother lives 2 or 3 houses down (north) from Dowling. Lobster boat "DOCTARI"...
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Moriches Bay

While I don’t know the current conditions (and yes it was bad last year); everytime I do go through I call the towBoat Us captain and he gives me the latest run down. He has even texted me his tracks which were very helpful.

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We won't be out that way on our shallow draft boat for a bit so while we can't directly report, this LNM still stands and 27, 28 and 29 have been discontinued if we understand correctly.

>>Severe shoaling is present in Moriches Bay along the Long Island Intracoastal Waterway in the vicinity of Moriches Bay Buoys 24, 26, 27, 28, and 29 extending the entire width of the channel at nearly all tide levels. The area from Buoys 24 to 29 is only navigable at the operator’s risk. The most severe area of shoaling can be found between buoys 26 and 28 and is less than half the charted channel depth in some areas. Mariners should be aware that the Aids to Navigation in these areas are unreliable due to shoaling and mariners are strongly advised to seek alternate routes.<<
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While I don’t know the current conditions (and yes it was bad last year); everytime I do go through I call the towBoat Us captain and he gives me the latest run down. He has even texted me his tracks which were very helpful.

Good luck

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I have called BoatUS there as well, especially back in the years when they moved the channel north and then south around the inlet. That brings up a question. I have a friend who once contacted BoatUS (in sight) on VHF and asked the captain to guide him through the shoaled area. In exchange he offered to act as if it was a tow, being a member of BoatUS, which the captain accepted. Not going into whether that's wrong or right, I wonder if that shouldn't be an option offered by BoatUS and/or SeaTow. Maybe a different rate for a precautionary guide. Just a thought.

Thanks for your reply.
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We won't be out that way on our shallow draft boat for a bit so while we can't directly report, this LNM still stands and 27, 28 and 29 have been discontinued if we understand correctly.

>>Severe shoaling is present in Moriches Bay along the Long Island Intracoastal Waterway in the vicinity of Moriches Bay Buoys 24, 26, 27, 28, and 29 extending the entire width of the channel at nearly all tide levels. The area from Buoys 24 to 29 is only navigable at the operator’s risk. The most severe area of shoaling can be found between buoys 26 and 28 and is less than half the charted channel depth in some areas. Mariners should be aware that the Aids to Navigation in these areas are unreliable due to shoaling and mariners are strongly advised to seek alternate routes.<<
Thanks, sort of what I was expecting. So Fire Island Inlet it is. We'll just pick a calm day.
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Go out FI!


And PS-my brother lives 2 or 3 houses down (north) from Dowling. Lobster boat "DOCTARI"...
Yes, I am familiar with DOCTARI. Small world!

Definitely going via Fire Island Inlet. Was hoping that something may have changed. Thanks!
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I have called BoatUS there as well, especially back in the years when they moved the channel north and then south around the inlet. That brings up a question. I have a friend who once contacted BoatUS (in sight) on VHF and asked the captain to guide him through the shoaled area. In exchange he offered to act as if it was a tow, being a member of BoatUS, which the captain accepted. Not going into whether that's wrong or right, I wonder if that shouldn't be an option offered by BoatUS and/or SeaTow. Maybe a different rate for a precautionary guide. Just a thought.

Thanks for your reply.

Both Seatow and BoatUS will guide you thru those trouble areas when they are out there (which during season they are both almost always sittiing in Moriches bay) as long as you are a member. It's part of the membership...


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Thanks, sort of what I was expecting. So Fire Island Inlet it is. We'll just pick a calm day.
You can also go out Morriches Inlet, as that was not to bad last year (I have yet to get out there yet this year). You can sneak right out the east side jetty heading south-east on calm days or head south-west about 1/4 mile west of the west jetty if there is a swell breaking on the east side. But FI is much easier if your not comfortable with possibly punching thru a few swells on the outside bar.



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We won't be out that way on our shallow draft boat for a bit so while we can't directly report, this LNM still stands and 27, 28 and 29 have been discontinued if we understand correctly.

>>Severe shoaling is present in Moriches Bay along the Long Island Intracoastal Waterway in the vicinity of Moriches Bay Buoys 24, 26, 27, 28, and 29 extending the entire width of the channel at nearly all tide levels. The area from Buoys 24 to 29 is only navigable at the operator’s risk. The most severe area of shoaling can be found between buoys 26 and 28 and is less than half the charted channel depth in some areas. Mariners should be aware that the Aids to Navigation in these areas are unreliable due to shoaling and mariners are strongly advised to seek alternate routes.<<
That has read that way for years now for the most part.



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Yes, I am familiar with DOCTARI. Small world!

Definitely going via Fire Island Inlet. Was hoping that something may have changed. Thanks!

I've seen your boat a few times around town.... I'm also searching for 38 to 43' downeast boat. Legacy, Eastbay, Sabre,... might even looks a Mainship. How do you like it, and how is it powered?


I've been waffling between a full blown express style to a fast trawler, to a downright trawler.... can't make up my mind. But have always eyeballed the downeast express boats, and that is what the wife mostly wants, so I think that will be the route we take. I had a 30 Rampage I sold in the fall, "MACHRIA".
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I've seen your boat a few times around town.... I'm also searching for 38 to 43' downeast boat. Legacy, Eastbay, Sabre,... might even looks a Mainship. How do you like it, and how is it powered?


I've been waffling between a full blown express style to a fast trawler, to a downright trawler.... can't make up my mind. But have always eyeballed the downeast express boats, and that is what the wife mostly wants, so I think that will be the route we take. I had a 30 Rampage I sold in the fall, "MACHRIA".[/QUOTE]

I've had a "downright Trawler" (390), a Downeast (Pilot 34) and currently in our Pilot 43. All Mainships. I really enjoyed the 390 Trawler, except we had it at the wrong time of life. We were still working and had less time for getaways. Now, we're retired, have more time and have a Downeast Trawler. So, the first part - Real Trawler vs. Fast Trawler or Express really depends on where you are and what you want to do. Trade off - fuel for the most part.

That being said, we have enjoyed our Pilot 43 immensely. Now that we're retired we take 2-3 month getaways, living on the boat, very comfortably. The large beam offers extra room all around the boat (makes it a great party boat as well). It has been reliable, cruises at 16-18 knots with twin 440 HP Yanmars. The hull is not a true Trawler displacement hull, but stable in slow speeds. I do like the Pilot version of the Mainship 43 more than the T43 Trawler version (I took that one up from St. Augustine (factory) to Bay Shore.

Mainships are great boats, with no complaints except for "fit and finish" issues that Mainship was always to lack in. If fit and finish, quality woodworking, etc. means a lot to you, a Sabre, Eastbay, etc would be the way to go. I do highly recommend Mainships. I've had 3 and was happy with each.

Enjoy!
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Thanks for the great insight...
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Ahhh Moriches Bay. Brings back memories. When I was a kid and just certified, my buddy and I would scuba dive there off my uncle’s clam boat. On a very very good day we had about 12 inches of visibility. However the usual distance was from the faceplate of our masks to our eyeballs haha

The water may have been only a few feet deep, but we had grand adventures!
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