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Old 12-18-2017, 11:16 PM   #21
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Tell me where exactly. I live in eastern NC and travel up and down the length of the ICW. Pick a point where the carrier map shows coverage and we'll go test it. Sounds like you are not using the interactive detail maps which take it down to the tower level.
OK, maybe the detailed maps are correct...but only if they show all the holes in the ICW coversge I have found with TMoble and ATT.

and ckvetage, not maps are what people buy and the "sales" maps are what they are.
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OK, maybe the detailed maps are correct...but only if they show all the holes in the ICW coversge I have found with TMoble and ATT.

and ckvetage, not maps are what people buy and the "sales" maps are what they are.
Coverage is indeed important, but if a consumer chooses not to research it thoroughly, given a convenient tool by the provider, who's to blame for that?

I'm kind of curious where on the ICW VZ has better coverage than ATT. Maybe something's changed recently.

For business reasons I usually have a handset or two using all 5 major networks around somewhere. By the way, here in the Carolinas, US Cellular typically beats them all.
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Wasnt that way 6 to 2 years ago when I had an ATT work phone and crew was Verizon.

Small gaps for ATT except Albemarle to Oriental, maybe a few other more significant ones like Ga sounds....just remember overall dissatisfaction enough that when I got my own phone, Verizon was the winner based on my experience with snowbirders and loopers.

Verizon was more consistent hands down.
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Old 12-21-2017, 12:28 PM   #26
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Coverage is indeed important, but if a consumer chooses not to research it thoroughly, given a convenient tool by the provider, who's to blame for that?

I'm kind of curious where on the ICW VZ has better coverage than ATT. Maybe something's changed recently.

For business reasons I usually have a handset or two using all 5 major networks around somewhere. By the way, here in the Carolinas, US Cellular typically beats them all.
We carry them all for the same reasons you do. Coastal NC has always been it's own strange world. I remember at my cousin's house near Beaufort no major carrier having decent signal years ago. We found ATT to have significant issues around Pamlico Sound and spottiness around the Albemarle Sound area. More though we found slow service in many other areas which didn't impact voice but did data. As an aside, ATT has huge holes in coverage in the mountains of NC, but so does even Verizon. In those areas, I've heard resident describe it as depends on which block you live on.

We've found the provider's tools very accurate.

Another very complicated aspect of it all is who uses who for roaming and this has changed often.
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There are places in our neighborhood in the mountains of Tennessee where, if you change ears, you can lose the signal. That’s with Verizon; ATT doesn’t make a connection to lose. Anywhere we visit is usually an improvement (strictly in terms of cell coverage).
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There are places in our neighborhood in the mountains of Tennessee where, if you change ears, you can lose the signal. That’s with Verizon; ATT doesn’t make a connection to lose. Anywhere we visit is usually an improvement (strictly in terms of cell coverage).
Boating through the river canyon area, the mountains didn't help things either. You can go a hundred yards and it's all changed. I met a guy in Chattanooga who lived way up Hwy 27 and said didn't have to worry about him using his cell phone in his car on the way in and out of town as it was impossible to keep a connection long enough until you got all the way into town.
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ATT has improved immensely here in eastern NC in the past 4 years, including Pamlico Sound. My daily phone is ATT now and has been for the last 5 years. I very seldom have to pull out the US Cellular device.

I have to note that T-Mobile in the last 2 years has also improved coverage and network speed dramatically in these parts, though not up to VZ, T, and USC, and not what I'd call "cruiser ready". But enough so they have begun opening T-Mobile and MetroPCS stores. Sprint is a bit better but friends don't let friends use Sprint.
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ATT has improved immensely here in eastern NC in the past 4 years, including Pamlico Sound. My daily phone is ATT now and has been for the last 5 years. I very seldom have to pull out the US Cellular device.

I have to note that T-Mobile in the last 2 years has also improved coverage and network speed dramatically in these parts, though not up to VZ, T, and USC, and not what I'd call "cruiser ready". But enough so they have begun opening T-Mobile and MetroPCS stores. Sprint is a bit better but friends don't let friends use Sprint.
That shows how it all varies by location and use. In South Florida, all services are great so Sprint is very popular based on price and equal service. Boost and Virgin then follow along with 5 for $100 and $35 and such and then T-Mobile was booming but slowed down by Sprint lowering prices, now picking up a lot of seniors with their plan while Metro's $30 plans doing great.

Straight Talk and Walmart selling heavily to seniors. I'm still shocked Cricket doesn't take off with $30 plans but ATT just waited too long to push to the reseller market. Verizon the only one not owning other brands.

And the one to watch I believe still is Google. Project FI is lousy today but the concept is most interesting if they ever really get serious about it.

No, US Cellular has excellent coverage here in terms of service, just no coverage in terms of stores and recognition.
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There some MVNO's on Verizon, particularly in the America Movil (Carlos Slim) family, like Page Plus, as well as independents like Red Pocket. Verizon is late to the party on their own prepaid offerings, and rather than go the second brand route (ala MetroPCS, Boost/Virgin and Cricket) are beginning to open prepaid-centric Verizon branded stores in neighborhoods they'd never put a post-paid store, primarily using resellers. Their problem is that the budget consumer doesn't roam outside of their immediate neighborhood, let alone metro area... so why not use T-Mobile or Sprint if it's cheaper?

I have a few clients in the midst of all of the above. There are now more cellphones than people in the US (not uncommon in other countries either), so it's a dog fight. Low average revenue per number "internet of things" applications such as the connected car and remote industrial monitoring and "smart city" applications are big growth areas.

The standards for 5G just got agreed on the other day, and will begin to be commercialized in a year or so, setting off another battle. The frontier there will be competing with the cable companies and local phone providers (and in some areas satellite) for the fixed internet market.
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I know this thread is more about reception than speed, but if you're noticing slower speeds on iPhones, its because Apple is intentionally slowing down its older phones, like the 7, 6, 6S, and the SE.
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I know this thread is more about reception than speed, but if you're noticing slower speeds on iPhones, its because Apple is intentionally slowing down its older phones, like the 7, 6, 6S, and the SE.
Yes, and lawsuits already underway. They will be forced to reverse course. Apple's stated reason is to reduce battery usage as they claim using current speeds would eat up battery time on old phones to the point people would really be upset. Those going after Apple say it's nothing but a trick to force people to upgrade.
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That shows how it all varies by location and use. In South Florida, all services are great so Sprint is very popular based on price and equal service. Boost and Virgin then follow along with 5 for $100 and $35 and such and then T-Mobile was booming but slowed down by Sprint lowering prices, now picking up a lot of seniors with their plan while Metro's $30 plans doing great.

Straight Talk and Walmart selling heavily to seniors. I'm still shocked Cricket doesn't take off with $30 plans but ATT just waited too long to push to the reseller market. Verizon the only one not owning other brands.

And the one to watch I believe still is Google. Project FI is lousy today but the concept is most interesting if they ever really get serious about it.

No, US Cellular has excellent coverage here in terms of service, just no coverage in terms of stores and recognition.
Project Fi? Lousy? Not in our experience. I have Verizon, wife has Fi. We have yet to travel anywhere where we didn't have coverage at the same time. Plus, if you are an international traveler, Project Fi is seemless, that is, the charges remain exactly the same, no roaming charges, no surcharges, no special access charges.
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Yes, and lawsuits already underway. They will be forced to reverse course. Apple's stated reason is to reduce battery usage as they claim using current speeds would eat up battery time on old phones to the point people would really be upset. Those going after Apple say it's nothing but a trick to force people to upgrade.
Apple products have always been highly overpriced in my opinion. I have never been impressed with I-phones as compared to any current Android product.
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There some MVNO's on Verizon, particularly in the America Movil (Carlos Slim) family, like Page Plus, as well as independents like Red Pocket. Verizon is late to the party on their own prepaid offerings, and rather than go the second brand route (ala MetroPCS, Boost/Virgin and Cricket) are beginning to open prepaid-centric Verizon branded stores in neighborhoods they'd never put a post-paid store, primarily using resellers. Their problem is that the budget consumer doesn't roam outside of their immediate neighborhood, let alone metro area... so why not use T-Mobile or Sprint if it's cheaper?

Do any of the pre-paid and/or less expensive retailers support both GSM and CDMA?

We keep one phone on AT&T and another on VZ, specifically because of coverage issue, holes, etc., originally here on the Chesapeake but also for "in general" boat travel. It's much better here now than it was in '95 or so (for example), but we still find dead spots with one or the other phone. And have seen the dead spots in coastal NC and SC during our current ride... And having both GSM and CDMA phones very useful...

But at the same time, we don't much talk on the things, so we have a bazillion "minutes" (or would do, if they rolled) and no real need for two bazillion dollar monthly bills...

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Apple's stated reason is to reduce battery usage as they claim using current speeds would eat up battery time on old phones to the point people would really be upset.
That isn't what Apple said. What they said was:

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Lithium-ion batteries become less capable of supplying peak current demands when in cold conditions, have a low battery charge or as they age over time, which can result in the device unexpectedly shutting down to protect its electronic components.

Last year we released a feature for iPhone 6, iPhone 6s and iPhone SE to smooth out the instantaneous peaks only when needed to prevent the device from unexpectedly shutting down during these conditions.
If you take them at their word -- and I have no reason not to -- the intent is not to extend battery time (as in "runs for X hours on a charge") but rather to limit the peak current draw on older batteries. If an old battery can't supply the instantaneous draw requested the device may well reboot.

To bring this back to boating I've seen several electronics manufacturers, when dealing with issues of their systems spontaneously rebooting, emphasize the need for the installation to provide clean, adequate power. Inadequate power = reboot, phone or MFD.
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Project Fi? Lousy? Not in our experience. I have Verizon, wife has Fi. We have yet to travel anywhere where we didn't have coverage at the same time. Plus, if you are an international traveler, Project Fi is seemless, that is, the charges remain exactly the same, no roaming charges, no surcharges, no special access charges.
I said lousy at the present but the concept may still have potential. Yes, like everything, we had to test it. We were not impressed. We also didn't find it completely seamless. Did lose calls occasionally when switching left the tower of one carrier and picked up another carrier. A bit like when we use to have the early editions of Sprint Airave because we couldn't get a good signal inside our home. Well, when we'd arrive home, pull into the garage, if we were on a call, we'd lose it, not a seamless switch so never made a call when about to leave home either. Current versions have corrected that.
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Apple products have always been highly overpriced in my opinion. I have never been impressed with I-phones as compared to any current Android product.
It's not much different than computers, switching not advised. When Samsung owners decide to try an iPhone they are nearly always disappointed. They don't get excited about what they gain, the new features, just disappointed over what they lose and often very upset over having to pay for apps. I would imagine those switching from iPhones to Samsungs feel much the same although I haven't heard it as much, likely because they're hooked and won't switch.

While I find fans of different products to be committed to what they have, I find fans of iProducts to be somewhat blindly addicted and lacking knowledge about Android and Windows and Chrome and Samsung and LG and all the rest. I was talking to someone recently who was talking about what he didn't like about Windows. I asked what version. The last experience they had with Windows was version 3.1.
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Do any of the pre-paid and/or less expensive retailers support both GSM and CDMA?

We keep one phone on AT&T and another on VZ, specifically because of coverage issue, holes, etc., originally here on the Chesapeake but also for "in general" boat travel. It's much better here now than it was in '95 or so (for example), but we still find dead spots with one or the other phone. And have seen the dead spots in coastal NC and SC during our current ride... And having both GSM and CDMA phones very useful...
Not sure what you mean, but the Trac Fone family of brands have offerings using each carrier network, as do other MVNOs like Red Pocket. Some of the new Motorola international unlocked phones, with two SIM slots, will take a GSM SIm as well as a Verizon SIM. Or the US version like sold on Amazon Prime, with a single SIM slot, you keep one SIM in your wallet and switch them out when need be, doesn't take but a minute. The whole CDMA/GSM thing is slowly disappearing as an issue, as the carriers switch to voice over LTE, and users opt for apps like SKype which use the data network. Slide an ATT SIM into a verizon iPhone sometime, it'll probably work, all newer Verizon phones are unlocked, network wise.

Someday, phones will come with a built in "Universal SIM" access to all networks built in, similar to what Apple does now on its iPads, where you select your carrier. At some point, someone like Google or Apple will do this on phones, and everyday you will be to conduct an "auction" amongst the carriers for who gets your business that day, which you can base on rate or coverage. Then threads like this one will become obsolete.
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