8 Knots - Are you kidding?

[Moby Nick]

Possibly one reason wakes are not discussed here is the almost universal love for the deep-V hull, which is notorious among sailors for wake-making. There are man other ways to shape a boat's bottom aft, the rounded run with a hook under our Albin being just one example.

[Art]

Originally Posted by Moby Nick

One aspect of power boats I never see discussed here is wake making. As former cruisers in a 28' Yawl which our outboard 9.9hp auxiliary would push at 6-kts, we are very pleased with our Albin-25 which will steam along at 8 knots all day while kicking up only a very mild wake and while burning only a bit over 1/2 gal/hour. What's not to like?

Congrats! You've got it made... Carry On!!

[JSI]

A different perspective.... we're sailors, "upgrading" from 5 knots to 8 knots in our new to us Mariner 40 trawler. Light speed. We're not 100% sure we want to go that fast as we do The Great Loop... seems too fast to see wildlife & the sights. In our Passport 37 sloop we went from Annapolis to Cartagena Colombia and back to Florida ... now with our Mariner 40, our next adventure is The Great Loop ... hopefully the transition to "the dark side" isn't too traumatic.....

[Sabre602]

Originally Posted by dhays

My understanding is that sharing the cost of fuel with your friends is not a problem. Making a profit from your friends by fishing would be a problem....

Originally Posted by Art

Friendly cash transfers... with no paper work... verbally termed "gifts"... is not a problem. IMO

It used to be strictly prohibited for an unlicensed skipper to accept any consideration (payment) from his passengers, whether in cash, fuel, or even a cooler full of sandwiches. Congress amended the definition of "consideration" effective 1 October 1999 to allow voluntary sharing of expenses.

From CFR 46 175.400:
Consideration means an economic benefit, inducement, right, or profit including pecuniary payment accruing to an individual, person, or entity, but not including a voluntary sharing of the actual expenses of the voyage, by monetary contribution or donation of fuel, food, beverage, or other supplies.

The guidance by the feds is that the operative word here is voluntary. The skipper can't require it, can't even ask for it, but may accept it if offered.

[Dani-lu]

Appreciate the clarification!

[Dani-lu]

Originally Posted by JSI

A different perspective.... we're sailors, "upgrading" from 5 knots to 8 knots in our new to us Mariner 40 trawler. Light speed. We're not 100% sure we want to go that fast as we do The Great Loop... seems too fast to see wildlife & the sights. In our Passport 37 sloop we went from Annapolis to Cartagena Colombia and back to Florida ... now with our Mariner 40, our next adventure is The Great Loop ... hopefully the transition to "the dark side" isn't too traumatic.....

My concern is the opposite. I generally don’t worry too much about currents, aside from current against wind causing dangerous wave conditions. I guess if I get a displacement trawler, we will just need to spend additional time planning for currents, especially in inlets and the gulf stream.

[Art]

Originally Posted by Sabre602

It used to be strictly prohibited for an unlicensed skipper to accept any consideration (payment) from his passengers, whether in cash, fuel, or even a cooler full of sandwiches. Congress amended the definition of "consideration" effective 1 October 1999 to allow voluntary sharing of expenses.

From CFR 46 175.400:
Consideration means an economic benefit, inducement, right, or profit including pecuniary payment accruing to an individual, person, or entity, but not including a voluntary sharing of the actual expenses of the voyage, by monetary contribution or donation of fuel, food, beverage, or other supplies.

The guidance by the feds is that the operative word here is voluntary. The skipper can't require it, can't even ask for it, but may accept it if offered.

We're getting caught up in the minutia of "what ifs".

If everything we daily do is kept under the microscope to expressly, strictly adhere to the letter of the law... a lot of fun in life would be extinguished. Vast majority of laws were/are not written to provide fun; but, rather they are in existence to enable, legally rectifiable outcomes if real problems occur during the days of "living" our lives.

"Things" seldom go to court until some misstep or accident occurs and law suit is begun [especially due to no insurance coverage because illegal business practice(s) had happened or have been ongoing]... or... there is a "sting" that occurred due to surveillance on specific incorrect actions over a period of time... or... some one missed too many payments or services of some sort.

"Things" do not often go to court, when:

To occasionally have "cash" change hands in many instances, regarding many circumstances that may not be in keeping with the letter of the law... but... no one really gives a hoot as long as transferred "cash" denominations is felt by everyone to be in fair keeping with enjoyments procured, items received or services rendered.

Live life. Have fun. Be careful. And, use cash only with no paper work attached nor prying ears listening... when appropriate!

Happy Life Daze! - Art

[FF]

"I guess if I get a displacement trawler, we will just need to spend aditional time planning for currents, especially in inlets and the gulf stream."

If you will be using the AICW , forgetaboutit !

There are so many inlets and outlets that what is lost to current for 5 miles is gained in the next 5 miles.

Not always , but not worth bothering with on a daily basis.

Once inside few actually use inlets as going south bound the outside wind and current are foul.

Going north the extra boost is not worth 24 -72 hour passages , unless you are in a hurry , and fully maned.

[smitty477]

Originally Posted by JSI

A different perspective.... we're sailors, "upgrading" from 5 knots to 8 knots in our new to us Mariner 40 trawler. Light speed. We're not 100% sure we want to go that fast as we do The Great Loop... seems too fast to see wildlife & the sights. In our Passport 37 sloop we went from Annapolis to Cartagena Colombia and back to Florida ... now with our Mariner 40, our next adventure is The Great Loop ... hopefully the transition to "the dark side" isn't too traumatic.....

"A different perspective" - consider this , you will really love having an 8 knot capability when you are in 5 knot currents.