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Flybull 01-11-2019 06:51 PM

Gotta love those PO's...
 
So after reading thousands of posts so far on Trawler Forum, a fairly common theme seems to be "the PO strikes again"... with some sort of ridiculous prior installation in all manner of areas of the boat. :facepalm:

What are some of the crazy things you've experienced that have been done by prior owners... and what did you have to do to rectify them...???

Posts with PHOTOS get extra credit...!!! :thumb:

High Wire 01-11-2019 07:20 PM

Been a while, but one of the craziest things was the depthfinder was hooked up to power with speaker wire using wirenuts. Not the usual twist on method, but the wires were stuck into the wirenut then a zinc plated, flat head woodscrew was driven in to keep everything tight, then wrapped in a ball of electric tape the size of a walnut. Somebody did not have a clue.
Oh yea, on another boat, the PO used the wire within the fuel fill hose as the fuel line ground wire!

Commander Nomad 01-11-2019 07:23 PM

On a previous boat, engine room fire due to undersized lamp cord running the water heater.

psneeld 01-11-2019 07:23 PM

Based on so many perfectionists here on TF, some POs are godlike.... :)

Flybull 01-11-2019 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by High Wire (Post 730756)
Been a while, but one of the craziest things was the depthfinder was hooked up to power with speaker wire using wirenuts. Not the usual twist on method, but the wires were stuck into the wirenut then a zinc plated, flat head woodscrew was driven in to keep everything tight, then wrapped in a ball of electric tape the size of a walnut. Somebody did not have a clue.
Oh yea, on another boat, the PO used the wire within the fuel fill hose as the fuel line ground wire!

I guess when you lack the appropriate size wire-nut for your inappropriate wiring job, might as well push all-in on stupid... :facepalm:


Not sure I understand the "wire within the fuel fill hose"... ???

Flybull 01-11-2019 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by psneeld (Post 730758)
Based on so many perfectionists here on TF, some POs are godlike.... :)


I've already got my eye on a few boats/PO's here for when they finally put their rigs up for sale...

Some to buy and some to stay well away from...!!! :rofl:

Commander Nomad 01-11-2019 07:51 PM

On my current boat, the headliner in the salon was stapled up using 4+ staples per inch. The salon headliner is 10'x16' in 3 sections- literally thousands of staples.

The windlass wiring was 2 sections of 1/0awg, except for a
1' jumper wire in between which was 8awg.

Flybull 01-11-2019 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Nomad (Post 730757)
On a previous boat, engine room fire due to undersized lamp cord running the water heater.

Wow... :facepalm:

Flybull 01-11-2019 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Commander Nomad (Post 730770)
On my current boat, the headliner in the salon was stapled up using 4+ staples per inch. The salon headliner is 10'x16' in 3 sections- literally thousands of staples.

The windlass wiring was 2 sections of 1/0awg, except for a
1' jumper wire in between which was 8awg.

PO's attempt at an in-line fuse...??? :banghead::banghead:

High Wire 01-11-2019 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybull (Post 730763)
I guess when you lack the appropriate size wire-nut for your inappropriate wiring job, might as well push all-in on stupid... :facepalm:


Not sure I understand the "wire within the fuel fill hose"... ???


He replaced the original fuel hose with wire wound exhaust type hose with the rubber peeled away to leave a couple inches to connect to the fittings. I guess he learned in a boating safety course that the fuel tank had to have a wire connecting the filler to the tank.:facepalm: Its just one of those things you find after you own the boat a while.

Flybull 01-11-2019 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by High Wire (Post 730773)
He replaced the original fuel hose with wire wound exhaust type hose with the rubber peeled away to leave a couple inches to connect to the fittings. I guess he learned in a boating safety course that the fuel tank had to have a wire connecting the filler to the tank.:facepalm: Its just one of those things you find after you own the boat a while.

Ok... now I get it.

OMG!!!

:eek:

psneeld 01-11-2019 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybull (Post 730765)
I've already got my eye on a few boats/PO's here for when they finally put their rigs up for sale...

Some to buy and some to stay well away from...!!! :rofl:

I can see that.....

When I am done boating....my boat is headed for a dumpster after I strip it.

The parts are worth way more than the total package

Bought it at the price and condition I knew the outcome. And after 20 years, 50,000 miles, snowbirding.....it was what it was, became what I needed, and died an honorable death. Only an idiot in my mind would have tried to bring this boat to yacht standards..but I stay within ABYC standards and my insurance company just accepted my self survey.

Or I might get much of what I paid for it back, but not what I put in it....in labor mostly.

Lou_tribal 01-11-2019 08:07 PM

I still need to discover the craziest thing the PO of my boat did as I find one each year.
As an example last spring while redoing my plumbing I discovered that the fresh water pump was wired with 4 pieces of different wires size on a 3 feet length, to save on wire cost he spent money on crimping lol. But all this makes me smile more than anything else, nobody is perfect and I am pretty sure that the next owner, if any, will say that same from me.

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warfdog 01-11-2019 08:10 PM

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PO wiring nightmares - soon to be a thing of beauty. But to be real, once this is done I am sure there will be someplace for the next owner to point fingers at this PO. So it goes. Nobody is perfect...:dance::dance:

Flybull 01-11-2019 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pack Mule (Post 730790)
Iím with you Lou . Iíve fixed a bunch of stuff from previous owners . Not sure who did what . But I ainít gonna dog them here cause heck they could be a new prospect when Iím ready to sell . Iím sure the next owner if any will cuss some of my repairs as well. Iím no shipwright but I do the best I can do. The only repair I think weíre obligated to discuss with a new owner is wherever we used 3m 5200. Each tube should come with little stickers that say ď3m 5200 here leave it beĒ

Now THAT'S funny... I don't care who you are...!!! :rofl::rofl:


As far as "dogging" anybody out here... that is not the point of this thread. Although some of this is truly comical, it seems most mentioned to this point are electrical, and many of those have been dangerous.

I think bringing them all to light is a great learning experience on what NOT to do for many who may be less-than-experienced in some of these areas.

Never know... a mention of one of these may ring a bell for some owner that didn't realize what he also had on his boat is a real issue.

We could be saving lives...!!! :eek::)

Civilitas 01-11-2019 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybull (Post 730750)
What are some of the crazy things you've experienced that have been done by prior owners... and what did you have to do to rectify them...???

Posts with PHOTOS get extra credit...!!! :thumb:


You will love this thread; the OP did a great job not just repairing a lot of nonsense, but copiously illustrating the insanity. I was catching up on it this morning:

https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...opa-26950.html

Flybull 01-11-2019 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Civilitas (Post 730800)
You will love this thread; the OP did a great job not just repairing a lot of nonsense, but copiously illustrating the insanity. I was catching up on it this morning:

https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s...opa-26950.html

I actually went through the whole thread last night..!!

Thanks for sharing!

tiltrider1 01-11-2019 09:31 PM

The PO of my boat was 88 years old and suffering dementia. Not a single system worked correctly and many didn’t work at all. The boat was priced accordingly. In the end almost every cause of system failure was due to the PO disassembling something and failing to reassemble it correctly. Either that or some one was sabotaging in his boat.

The most annoying thing he did was to repair hose leaks by slitting 6” of hose and clamping it over the original hose. The ones on the engine were easy to spot. The ones hidden deep in the cabinets on AC cooling lines were only found after water started running across the kitchen floor.

The funniest one was the univalve in the hydraulic steering. For what ever reason he disassembled the univalve and reassembled it incorrectly. Result was the boat would only turn to port. It didn’t bother him, when he wanted to turn to starboard he just turned on the autopilot and spun the knob clockwise.

boomerang 01-11-2019 09:51 PM

Wait a sec! Yíall are making fun of the PO??? Youíre the ones who bought a boat with hosed up systems! It should be the other way around the way I see it!
PS... our boat was a huge POS when we looked at it and we still bought it.

kthoennes 01-11-2019 10:05 PM

Not our current boat - that PO was meticulous, a robotics engineer, we love that guy. But the previous owner of our previous boat - I could tell about a dozen hilarious system and maintenance and repair stories - like every single bulb, interior and exterior, from nav lights to salon reading lights, to the refrigerator bulb, was burned out. The fixtures all worked fine with replacement bulbs, but every single bulb had burned out and he had about 10 flashlights in the salon. But to me the oddest and most memorable quirk was not a system issue - it was the large pink underwear collection we found in the aft berth.

Commander Nomad 01-11-2019 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by warfdog (Post 730781)
PO wiring nightmares - soon to be a thing of beauty. But to be real, once this is done I am sure there will be someplace for the next owner to point fingers at this PO. So it goes. Nobody is perfect...:dance::dance:



Sadly, I looked at those photos and thought "hey, that's really not so bad":banghead:

HeadMistress 01-11-2019 10:35 PM

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A DIY sanitation system. The toilet sits on the holding tank. He was very proud of it.


--Peggie

sdowney717 01-11-2019 10:50 PM

PO upgraded several bilge pumps with a much higher GPH, but then to make it fit the original small hoses, shoved a short few inch section of the larger rubber hose into the smaller rubber hose and then squeezed it down tight with a hose clamp.

When I finally got around to making the entire hose the proper size, and new hull fittings, I was impressed at how much more water the bilge pump flowed out the hull.

Another was PO drilling a hole in the cabin roof to run new big power wires up to the flybridge (routed on the outside of the existing stainless wire and throttle shift cable) tube without figuring out the original wires were fine because he thought they were bad and could not figure out what wire did what.

Another was PO hired a mechanic to replace head gaskets on one motor and the dumb mechanic left out a little oil drain plug from the head, so PO as he motored along, engine was constantly dribbling oil out of the motor into the bilge. When I got the boat, there was about a inch layer of oil floating on top of the bilge water. and that oil had coated a lot of stuff in the bilge and it took months to clean it all up. All because of a missing 1/8" inch oil plug was missing.

Another was PO did not know how to properly replace packing or tighten up the prop shaft gland, so he bought a massive 3 foot long pipe wrench and would twist it tighter without loosening the lock nut. When I first saw boat, it was leaking in a considerable amount of water and spraying the trans-engine in a steady stream of salt water.

Another was PO did not realize he had a big hole in the side of an engine riser, and a lot of exhaust fumes were pumping directly into the bilge. PO said he had to run the bilge blower all the time or the boat smelled funny.

Another was PO said he had not been able to run the generator for the last 5 years and did not know why. The simple reason was the gen battery was bad and it would not even crank.

Flybull 01-11-2019 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadMistress (Post 730819)
A DIY sanitation system. The toilet sits on the holding tank. He was very proud of it.


--Peggie


Holy crap...!!!!

:D

boatpoker 01-12-2019 12:22 AM

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The two stainless steel boxes contain two banks of home assembled lithium cells. These are connected to the two yellow topped Optimus AGM's with undersized conductors of unknown grade twisted together and wrapped with rigging tape. All of this was monitored by a volt meter.
I think he was a Boeing engineer.

Giggitoni 01-12-2019 12:38 AM

The first few owners of our boat did a great job of upkeep and systems renewal. Iím trying to keep up so the next owner appreciates the dudes that went before.

denverd0n 01-14-2019 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by HeadMistress (Post 730819)
A DIY sanitation system. The toilet sits on the holding tank. He was very proud of it.

That looks pretty bad, but if it works... One thing for sure, you'll know right away if any of the hoses are exuding odors!

Bkay 01-14-2019 10:48 AM

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I purchased my first power vessel from Adm. Kinnaird McKee, a retired 4 Star with a submarine background.

My surveyor had to look hard, and I mean REAL hard, to find some nits to pick about the PO's maintenance schedule. Note to others: if you can buy your boat from a 4 Star submariner, you should probably do that.

kchace 01-14-2019 10:54 AM

When upgrading a VHF radio found 3 fuses AND a circuit breaker in the same 12V feed. Judging from the different types of wire, each time the radio had been updated whatever inline fuse had come with the new radio had been *added* to whatever was already there. One of the fuses was even sealed in a cabinet.

CMS 01-14-2019 11:29 AM

There are plenty of examples in the Hall of Fail......;)

The Hall of FAIL









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HeadMistress 01-14-2019 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Flybull (Post 730828)
Holy crap...!!!! :D


I never met him...member on another forum sent me that photo several years ago. But there are two things about him that I'd bet real money are true: 1. He's an engineer. 2. He's single. I shudder to think what he could do to a boat if he ever got his hands on microprocessor controls.


--Peggie

FoxtrotCharlie 01-14-2019 11:35 AM

I will point no fingers, for one day I will be a PO also :angel::angel:

hmason 01-14-2019 11:53 AM

My first GB, a 1984 36' which I purchased in 1997, I never found anything wrong.
My current GB, a 1996 46' which I purchased in 2012, I have found nothing wrong.

Bigsfish 01-14-2019 01:08 PM

Howard

I want to sell you my boat!

makobuilders 01-14-2019 01:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HeadMistress (Post 730819)
The toilet sits on the holding tank. He was very proud of it.

That's fantastics, except he should have installed the world's greatest marine head... an RV head!

jimisbell 01-14-2019 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by denverd0n (Post 731455)
That looks pretty bad, but if it works... One thing for sure, you'll know right away if any of the hoses are exuding odors!


I really like it. Its neat and accessible.

psneeld 01-14-2019 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotCharlie (Post 731468)
I will point no fingers, for one day I will be a PO also :angel::angel:

Exactly.....

FF 01-15-2019 06:39 AM

"That's fantastics, except he should have installed the world's greatest marine head... an RV head!"

Using 1/5 to 1/10 the flush water an RV head does not require pumping as often , how would the PO keep up the economy of pump out stations?

diver dave 01-15-2019 08:32 AM

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Originally Posted by tiltrider1 (Post 730802)
The PO of my boat was 88 years old and suffering dementia. Not a single system worked correctly and many didnít work at all. ...

gotta get those types out of boating and into politics where they belong.

Cigatoo 01-15-2019 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by diver dave (Post 731703)
gotta get those types out of boating and into politics where they belong.

:)

Shrew 01-15-2019 08:48 AM

PO decided to ensure there were no leaks, he wrapped the threads of all the pencil zincs for the Yanmar with teflon tape. He probably prided himself in how good his zincs looked every time he changed them.

PO solved his pressure pump problem by removing the pump pre-filter.

I bought a boat that was missing a screen in one of the portlights. We also noticed there was a small tear in another screen. We went to replace the torn screen and found the missing screen. The solution having a hole in screen #1 is remove and install screen #2 on top of screen #1 to fix the hole (Just don't open portlight #2 anymore).

psneeld 01-15-2019 08:50 AM

I really wonder just how many TF boats are fully ABYC COMPARABLE (not necessary fully compliant). Or whose ???? Is really the best or perfect despite manufacturers recommendations or last weeks best practices.

In my travels I hear a lot of talk, yet the devil is in n the details......

We will all be POs....just thinking ok f the flash house saying.....

High Wire 01-15-2019 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by psneeld (Post 731710)

We will all be POs....just thinking ok f the flash house saying.....


Decipher please! :D

psneeld 01-15-2019 10:34 AM

I wish I knew....dang phone auto correct...

Just remembered... the old saying about "living in glass houses"....:D

Slider70 01-21-2019 02:22 PM

My worst experiences on boats I have owned was usually wiring. Most I had to re-wire and knew this on purchase so adjusted the price to reflect this. Worst wiring was a bilge pump installed without a fuse. Just before I purchased the boat the PO had a fire that smoldered and blackened the inside of the cabin but went out when the very small gauge wire he used melted apart. Lucky he didn't use the proper sized wire. He re-wired in a new pump again without a fuse!

On the wood working side I bought a woody that the PO had done work inside the house securing the wood revisions with dry wall screws. Not only did they rust but were a major challenge to get back out to replace.

Unfortunately, I suspect buyers of my previously owned boats have had something nasty to say about me too?

AusCan 01-21-2019 02:48 PM

I was lucky. My 35 year old boat was mostly original without any "upgrades" done other than a 34 year old cassette deck/radio and fishfinder installed. Thanks guys1

It will be me that future owners will be cussing.

BrianSmith 01-21-2019 03:09 PM

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(Wow, I thought mine would take the cake, but after reading all the other posts, I don't think it'll even get Honorable Mention.)

PO wanted to be able to use the main engine raw water pump as an emergency bilge pump, so he installed this valve. Problem is, it was installed backwards, so that if you ever actually moved the lever to the opposite position, it would continue pumping water in from the ocean - right into the bilge!
Attachment 84498

geoleo 01-21-2019 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Flybull (Post 730750)
So after reading thousands of posts so far on Trawler Forum, a fairly common theme seems to be "the PO strikes again"... with some sort of ridiculous prior installation in all manner of areas of the boat. :facepalm:

What are some of the crazy things you've experienced that have been done by prior owners... and what did you have to do to rectify them...???

Posts with PHOTOS get extra credit...!!! :thumb:

My boats PO screwed the bonding cable from the shaft log into the nearby FG muffler!

gator749 01-21-2019 03:58 PM

I once looked at a nice President 41 that was about four years old at the time. The owner had installed quality state of the art electronics himself. I never got around to looking at the wiring as all the fastening to the boat was carried out with vast amounts of duct tape....

Comodave 01-21-2019 04:01 PM

Isnít that what duct tape is for???


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