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OldDan1943 04-14-2018 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by O C Diver (Post 654200)
I've gotten use to it and find it's great fun to flirt with the girl coasties.

Ted

NOW, that is non-PC and can get you a trip to the dock, further inspection and a cavity search by a huge male coastguardsman.

psneeld 04-14-2018 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by CaptRonn (Post 654254)
A little professionalism and courtesy go a long way.

When the beer bellied Deputy is treating you and your family like a drug bust, and uniformed members of the CG are decked out in SWAT gear with loaded weapons, all because they want to check a sanitation device, the lost respect comes out.

I can guarantee the USCG was not in swat gear... only life jackets, bulletproof vests and normal sidearms.....

....machine guns on the boat?... no way...couldnt use them anyway in a crowded marina without killing innocents...especially not resonding to anything other than assistance to local LEOs.

your story is definitely not believable, so mutual loss of respect is to be expected.

Mako 04-14-2018 11:21 AM

I left the States a decade ago, but from your stories it doesnít sound like its gotten any friendlier out on the water.

Over here my boat was a small center console. Would take it about 10nm out into the Gulf so never really offshore or the Hormuz Straits.

However the Coast Guard here was always very actively tracking and checking on me and everyone else. Even out at sea in the ship anchorages. When the Emir was scheduled to fly over then we were forced to stop and wait it out while being watched.

But these stops were all for security reasons, no safety. No one cared about our PFFs [emoji846].

We learned to get over the annoyance aspect of it all and just roll with it. However nowadays with the embargo things have escalated to the level of paranoia, so Iím glad I sold the boat.

stubones99 04-14-2018 11:25 AM

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Originally Posted by O C Diver (Post 654200)
My boat seems to be a boarding magnet. I average once per year and twice last year (doing the Loop). The more you use your boat, the higher the odds per year as they generally aren't boarding boats at the dock. Also, if you tend to use your boat during the week, you're more likely to get boarded for practice. When I'm the only boat out and there coming the other way, odds go way up. I've gotten use to it and find it's great fun to flirt with the girl coasties.

Ted

They probably want to check out your boat :)

AlaskaProf 04-14-2018 11:31 AM

I have a friend who is a retired Naval aviator whose last sea-going assignment was exec of Lexington when it was the school ship at Pensacola.

We were drifting along Perdido Bay in his 30-foot sloop when boarded by a single BM3. The kid was elaborately courteous, obviously working from a memorized script, occasionally stumbling over unfamiliar words. As he handed over the carbon of his report he asked if the captain had taken any seamanship classes. My friend replied, "not really, but I picked up a few tricks in the Navy." The kid earnestly recommended contacting the Power Squadron.

dhays 04-14-2018 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by sunchaser (Post 654172)
Michael

Is your vessel properly State registered with CA numbers etc? Or do you claim it to be a Documented vessel? Or both?

Begging the question, when does a CA domiciled vessel need up to date USCG Documentation?



In WA, every boat must have, and display, a current WA State Registration sticker (much like a license tab). If you are documented, you donít need to display the WA state registration number on the bow. If you donít have that registration number displayed, then presumably you are a documented vessel. If you donít have either, then you are not in compliance with both state and federal law.

Retriever 04-14-2018 12:15 PM

I've been boarded by the USCG once. Other times they've approached, shouted a few questions, then gone on their way.

I'm always a little miffed why they insist on shouting from boat to boat before boarding rather than hailing on the VHF. They shouted over asking if I had any weapons aboard. I told them there was a can of bear spray somewhere onboard. They insisted I "holster the bear spray" before they climbed aboard my boat. I shouted back that wouldn't be necessary since it was buried deep in a locker.

It's pretty weird having armed, helmeted guys in big boots searching the boat under the guise of a safety inspection. They looked all overóin the head, in the engine room, the master hanging lockers, galley storage, lazarette... Total time aboard was more than 45 minutes. Maybe a 20-something alone on a trawler in the San Juans is suspicious?

I was in compliance with all the laws and they found nothing amiss, but they couldn't get their printer to work so I got no proof of compliance.

The real bummer was they held me up long enough I couldn't make it back to home port in daylight.

The officers were professional and courteous, but the whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth about the Coast Guard.

dhays 04-14-2018 12:16 PM

My experience with the USCG has been exceptionally positive. They have been great when boarding me, were great when they responded to a boat fire that I responded to, and have been helpful on the radio.

Maybe my perceptions are due to my innate bias. I naturally tend to provide respect to public servants, LEOs, and all members of the armed forces. Very rarely do they disappoint.

My only complaint about the USCG in my area is that often the radios operators are either too far from their mic or are speaking too softly. They have plenty of power, we get good reception, but their input volume is way too low.

78puget-trawler 04-14-2018 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 654250)
I invited the local police to bring their drug dog on board for training.
They thanked me and said, they were too busy doing the real searches.

See, they didn't find the 40 tons of grass nor the 200 illegal aliens hidden in the bilges. TEASING

I try to follow all the rules, regulations and laws because even at 75 years old, I am still too pretty to go to prison and those cavity searches aint no fun. Lemme give you one bit of advice when under going a cavity search, that is not the time to yell out, "Oh baby!" Even my doctor didn't see the humor in that. One year he made his request, I told him, "Not without dinner and a movie." LOL He cancelled that exam.

OK, that's just tooooo funny!!:lol:

FlyWright 04-14-2018 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 654224)
Letter by Hamilton ??
Perhaps you will provide us a copy for our binders?

https://media.defense.gov/2017/Jul/0...LTONLETTER.PDF

swampu 04-14-2018 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 654223)
They took your passengers to the USCG boat and your boat to the dock for a further inspection? What was their reasoning?



I was young, offshore about 20 miles with my friend who was the only one of age and 4 women. They (girls) were drinking beer, I was trying to fix the boat and apparently doing large 1 mile circles, they CG thought it was a drug deal (drop), they thought I was drinking, which I wasnít. They took the crew and took over my boat till we got to the dock and they could sort thinks out. All the girls had to call their moms, funny now looking back

diver dave 04-14-2018 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Retriever (Post 654276)
I've been boarded by the USCG once. ...

It's pretty weird having armed, helmeted guys in big boots searching the boat ...
The officers were professional and courteous, but the whole experience left a sour taste in my mouth about the Coast Guard.

hey, you might have had an undersize halibut in that hanging locker!

You are fortunate to cruise in a very civilized part of the US coastal waters. Spend more time in the straights of FL so these inspections won't be so unnatural. :D

sunchaser 04-14-2018 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by dhays (Post 654270)
In WA, every boat must have, and display, a current WA State Registration sticker (much like a license tab). If you are documented, you donít need to display the WA state registration number on the bow. If you donít have that registration number displayed, then presumably you are a documented vessel. If you donít have either, then you are not in compliance with both state and federal law.

Non WA vessels can travel throughout Puget Sound without the Registration sticker. Keeping in mind the time duration.

78puget-trawler 04-14-2018 01:36 PM

I am sure this has been answered previous, but can one refuse the boarding of the CG? I seem to remember reading that one can, but would be ticketed for doing so. I personally dislike the idea of anyone being able to board my boat without some suspicion of illegal activity. Its not that I don't like the CG, I do, but it just rubs me the wrong way to be involuntarily detained even if only for minutes, without probable cause.

markpierce 04-14-2018 02:08 PM

Some states (like California) don't require registration if the vessel is federally documented. If a vessel is documented and resides in a state requiring certification, registration sticker must be displayed but the registration numbers on the hull are prohibited. Federally documented boats must have the documentation number permanently displayed in the vessels interior, and the boat's name and "home" port (place name and state) on the hull's exterior.

markpierce 04-14-2018 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 78puget-trawler (Post 654302)
I am sure this has been answered previous, but can one refuse the boarding of the CG? I seem to remember reading that one can, but would be ticketed for doing so. I personally dislike the idea of anyone being able to board my boat without some suspicion of illegal activity. Its not that I don't like the CG, I do, but it just rubs me the wrong way to be involuntarily detained even if only for minutes, without probable cause.

Small USCG boats are typically armed with a machine gun, automatic rifle, shotgun, and pistols so they have the potential to dish out harm if they insist on boarding. If weather/sea conditions warrant however, one could plead that it would be unsafe at the current time and place for a boarding.

wwestman 04-14-2018 02:17 PM

Refusing boarding
 
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Originally Posted by 78puget-trawler (Post 654302)
I am sure this has been answered previous, but can one refuse the boarding of the CG? I seem to remember reading that one can, but would be ticketed for doing so. I personally dislike the idea of anyone being able to board my boat without some suspicion of illegal activity. Its not that I don't like the CG, I do, but it just rubs me the wrong way to be involuntarily detained even if only for minutes, without probable cause.

The short answer is NO. Since the founding of the Revenue Service (now US Customs) you cannot refuse boarding if you are in US waters. USCG officers are considered Customs officers by regulation. This has been challenged many times all the way to the Supreme Court and has been upheld every time. Though the results can be funny when someone tries.

78puget-trawler 04-14-2018 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by markpierce (Post 654311)
Small USCG boats are typically armed with a machine gun, automatic rifle, shotgun, and pistols so they have the potential to dish out harm if they insist on boarding. If weather/sea conditions warrant however, one could plead that it would be unsafe at the current time and place for a boarding.

Not a very useful answer...:rolleyes:

MichaelB1969 04-14-2018 02:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OldDan1943 (Post 654220)
Apply for the update to your documentation NOW. It will show it was an honest oversight on your part and you quickly corrected it.
Thank them for pointing out this discrepancy.
That's the best you can do.



Thanks, that's exactly what I did. Went online last night and renewed.

78puget-trawler 04-14-2018 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by wwestman (Post 654313)
The short answer is NO. Since the founding of the Revenue Service (now US Customs) you cannot refuse boarding if you are in US waters. USCG officers are considered Customs officers by regulation. This has been challenged many times all the way to the Supreme Court and has been upheld every time. Though the results can be funny when someone tries.

That was my understanding as well, but as I said, I believe I have read that one could actually take a ticket and refuse a boarding. I will have to look it up again. Without probable cause no other law enforcement has such authority to invade the private premises of a citizen, ( to my knowledge), without probable cause or a warrant for which probable cause must be shown to be granted. And no not playing "sea lawyer".


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