Doc: Guess you read the reply over yonder, but we had a Tec Patio II and gave 2K for it. Salesman said there was going to be a learning curve, and at 1800 degrees there was. How fast can you put a hot dog on and take it off !! We also bought in the middle of summer season, and I always needed a shower after dinner due to the heat after cooking.** It was great for red meat as Salty said, due to locking in flavor, but I never had the patience, so went back to my Weber, and garage saled that Tec. Good quality stainless was also a fator, cause we live right on water, and everything outside takes a beaten.