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Get your 1 1/2 when at hull speed in any displacement boat whether sail or power. Get a bigger wave as you are above hull speed but below planing. Size also reflects the half angle and power cruisers tend to be beamy. Still it’s a pretty boat.
 
Of course pretty boat, also à smaller one on Elburg Yachting
https://www.elburgyachting.nl/sp/yachts/7385/details_nl.html?t=RVQYGqo

When you wrotte 11/2 , you thinking 150% of the hull speed ?
I don't think this o e was at near 14 kts.
If we look at the seco d wave she look not yet at end of the boat, Another boat had à better Wave, look at the Velder 63, we trier to bought her when she was far less expensive OK 19 m and less than 30t

https://www.elburgyachting.nl/sp/yachts/7341/details_nl.html?t=SlQYGqo
We like her for her size , weight, low profile, but not for the concept of the arrangement, not usefull at all.
But at one moment the first owner put her for sale in auction they reach 275k euro he refuse ...and agree but the buyer ...refuser.
 
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I love this boat so much. Well worth clicking into the link and checking out this super unique boat. This couple looks like hero's too. Looking at their blog, it looks like they took a 24' sailboat from the PNW to Mexico, South Pacific, and back to the PNW. They took this boat all the way up to Glacier Bay in Alaska.

Karen and Jim's Excellent Adventure: Raven, Our Bigfoot 29 Trawler, is For Sale
 

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Snapdragon III said:
I love this boat so much. Well worth clicking into the link and checking out this super unique boat. This couple looks like hero's too. Looking at their blog, it looks like they took a 24' sailboat from the PNW to Mexico, South Pacific, and back to the PNW. They took this boat all the way up to Glacier Bay in Alaska.

Karen and Jim's Excellent Adventure: Raven, Our Bigfoot 29 Trawler, is For Sale
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I drive past her every day and wondered what the odd little boat was about.
They obviously used her well, shes a rather squat odd looking vessel sitting on the hard.
Hollywood
 

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Timber. Two engines. Very deep draft.9’

No thank you. Regardless of purchase price would be a constant exercise with an open checkbook to keep her in shape. Then be severely draft restricted in where you could go .

A 67’ doggersbank drafts 5’9” has three staterooms, can be built light ice class IMO 0 and with modern coatings no more maintenance than grp. Put in a Scania and less than 1/2 the maintenance of the two gardners even with tier 3 certification and M1 rating.

Need to think total Cost Of Ownership and maintenance time involved. Pretty boat but a money pit for only limited spectrum of possible use.

Doubt she’s wood epoxy so if taken to the tropics or subtropics you’d be spending time keeping up the hull.

Remember motorsailors are described as boats that can sail or power but do neither well.
 
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This rusty old beauty is on the hard at Solomons MD. I wasn't able to find out much about it. It's steel, looks salty and traditional, like a once very capable and seaworthy little ship.

Some hull plates have rusted through and it's been on land for several years. The owner is apparently still paying for storage, so it's not (yet?) abandoned. The domestic house air conditioning compressor on the upper deck suggests it may have been a non-moving live aboard for some time.

Anyone interested in a major restoration project?
 

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KitL, I was thinking of you when I posted it. An old sales practice is provide only enough info to generate interest and inquiry. It`s not a new boat and has some hours on it, it must function to some extent. Mind you there was a thread about excessive vibration in one, but I think it had a single, and maybe a smaller model.
Hull shape looks a blend of SD and FD, especially fwd (no hull slap likely there). Though SD seems to have as much variation within itself as the Jack Russell terrier breed.
 
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@BruceK: hahahahaha! (the SD comment)

That thread about excessive vibration was, IIRC, a Diesel Duck (built in the same factory) that had been extended 4', and the owner had decided to not instal an intermediate carrier bearing, AND had insisted on keeping the same thickness shaft.

I would not be concerned with that in this case (all except the 55' steel model) are 52'. Perhaps I need to get over my inclination to dismiss any listing that does not include the details I mentioned above, but having looked at many boats where a single glance into the ER means 'no', I am not inclined to travel to see that. Some brokers are happy to provide that extra detail.
 
The Seahorse 52 is fiberglass.
KitL, RTF`s first rule of boat advert rejection was/is no ER pics, it`s a fair one. With lots of pluses, maybe it`s oversight,not concealment, but...just as long as you don`t travel from Sydney to FNQ to see the bad news, as we once did.

Well remembered on the vibrating DD!
 
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The Seahorse 52 is fiberglass.
KitL, RTF`s first rule of boat advert rejection was/is no ER pics, it`s a fair one. With lots of pluses, maybe it`s oversight,not concealment, but...just as long as you don`t travel from Sydney to FNQ to see the bad news, as we once did.

Well remembered on the vibrating DD!
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Ha I was mixing it up with the pile of thermite in a previous pic oops
 
What's wrong with this boat?

Arksen 85


It's a completely different approach than a Fleming 85. But we like it - especially the range. What are some negatives about this boat that we can't see through our rose colored glasses.
 
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In my point of view : the hight
With one less level she will be better
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You have a good point there. It's aluminum, so not a lot or weight up there. But, it is higher than I'd want on a long journey on rolling seas.

It's the same critique I've put forth on Nordies.
 
Only the roof of the top cabin will be at less, if ligthly built, say plating 5mm, stiffener flar bar 50x6 each 250mm, beam each 500mm T bar 80x60x8, you arrive approximatly at 1,15 T at arou d 7m aboie wl ...plus the side, plus the arrangement plus some fourniture, plus equipment in wheelhouse, plus wooden floor, sure the total will be more than 5 T at an average 6.5m aboie wl...with hell of 90°...the lost in stability will enormous.In another hand 1.5m draft...
We was near à boat with the same co c'est, i think remember San Lorenzo 78 but not sure.the capitaine : without stab it will be dangerous...and the turn on also in...harbour !!
 
I don’t know if you can make any statements about AVS or behavior without seeing a Gz curve. With integral tanks and all machinery under the waterline from available schematics she maybe quite stiff. Believe she’s available as light ice class and commercial service in ALL weathers. Something the Fleming is not.
Any LDL hull maybe initially tender but if properly designed stiffen right up quickly. Not being dependent upon form stability does have some downsides but more than made up for by greater efficiency, range and need for less HP.
At the close of the age of sail where there was great competition to get to the pacific from the Atlantic .The vessels were also long and lean. They did the roaring 40s routinely.
TT said it best. Less usable interior space for loa with a LDL. But there’s no argument they are faster on passage, have more range per gallon and are excellent sea boats.

Doubt there’s any exterior wood. See paint, treadmaster and bare Al in the vid. Suspect Amtico or flexiteak or just paint unless frequently walked on. Don’t know if C fiber or foam sandwich is used in places high up. In short don’t know the scantlings and weight even if all Al.
 
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