Theodore Roosevelt Captain Being Reinstated
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In a thread that drifted a lot.
https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s75/isnt-boating-essential-activity-49976.html
Thanks for starting a new one.
https://www.trawlerforum.com/forums/s75/isnt-boating-essential-activity-49976.html
Thanks for starting a new one.
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Speculation: A 5000 crew aircraft carrier with a serious moral issue. If he didn't come back it will take a few years to bring the performance back to normal.
We really need to identify the leaker of the information and hang um high.
We really need to identify the leaker of the information and hang um high.
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The captain sent a long complaint email to 20 people outside the chain of command. That's what made the situation public.
https://nyti.ms/3eaUzcZ
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Having harboured Ruby Princess for 5 weeks while it spawned 22+ deaths and about 900 infections(crew incl) it`s easy to understand why the Captain saw some urgency to the ship`s predicament. Protocol vs death and sickness = tough choice. I hope he saved some lives and some people from a horrible sickness.
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That is fake news. He sent it to 10 people all with the rank of Captain and above. He put mission readiness above his own career: you cannot fight an aircraft carrier with 30 to 40 percent of your crew sick.
As noted above, Capt. Crozier's email letter was sent to 10 people. Reportedly it was addressed to Rear Adm. Stuart Baker, commander of the Roosevelt's carrier strike group; Adm. John Aquilino, commander of U.S. Pacific Fleet; and Vice Adm. DeWolfe Miller, commander of Naval Air Forces. Seven other captains were copied on the email. I presume that the captains cc'ed were in the same strike group as the Roosevelt.
It seems to me that former acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly was more interested in his personal career than that of the sailors on the Roosevelt. His decision to remove Crozier without an investigation seems designed to curry favor with the Commander-in-Chief, something that did not happen. Then to follow this up with his decision to fly to the Roosevelt and trash the captain in front of the entire crew. How could anyone think this would lead to both a boost in morale and discipline to the ship's crew?
The only good thing to come from the fiasco is that Modly is no longer with the Navy.
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It seems to me that former acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly was more interested in his personal career than that of the sailors on the Roosevelt. His decision to remove Crozier without an investigation seems designed to curry favor with the Commander-in-Chief, something that did not happen. Then to follow this up with his decision to fly to the Roosevelt and trash the captain in front of the entire crew. How could anyone think this would lead to both a boost in morale and discipline to the ship's crew?
The only good thing to come from the fiasco is that Modly is no longer with the Navy.
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It was a costly trip to Guam for Modly:
"Mr. Modly boarded a Gulfstream business jet at an airfield in suburban Washington and made the 35-hour round-trip flight to Guam, at a cost of $243,116.65, according to a Navy official, confirming a report in USA Today."
"Mr. Modly boarded a Gulfstream business jet at an airfield in suburban Washington and made the 35-hour round-trip flight to Guam, at a cost of $243,116.65, according to a Navy official, confirming a report in USA Today."
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From what i've read, RADM Baker did not share Crozier's sense of urgency, which nay have been the proximate cause of the infamous letter.
Seems to me that good order and discipline will require one of them find a new assignment. I say from my extensive experience as an E-4.
"...this vessel's not big ebough for the two of us."
Seems to me that good order and discipline will require one of them find a new assignment. I say from my extensive experience as an E-4.
"...this vessel's not big ebough for the two of us."
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Some of them might enjoy it.
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Some of them might enjoy it.
Not the way I would I apply it, I assure you!
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Withholding naval appropriations could have something to do with the decision.
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Mission first...doesn't work any other way. A balance is necessary, but its a balance...not an absolute.
That's why it's the military and not a bunch of volunteers without the chain of command.
Looking out for "the troops" is important, but far from the only quality of leadership.
In this case, it may have been a bit cloudy as it was new territory...probably why it started one way and might end a different way.
That's why it's the military and not a bunch of volunteers without the chain of command.
Looking out for "the troops" is important, but far from the only quality of leadership.
In this case, it may have been a bit cloudy as it was new territory...probably why it started one way and might end a different way.
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I thought the Captain using email was the problem, maybe new Navy. Communication was always done on secure radio traffic in my time in the Navy.
If he gets his command back it will be a rarity in Navy traditions, but a pandemic is also a rare occurrence we hope and pray.
If he gets his command back it will be a rarity in Navy traditions, but a pandemic is also a rare occurrence we hope and pray.
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"you cannot fight an aircraft carrier with 30 to 40 percent of your crew sick"
Historically this is not correct , most boats are overstaffed to handle battle damage..
Historically this is not correct , most boats are overstaffed to handle battle damage..
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Here`s a spanking suggestion. Everyone would have enjoyed it, had the noble Knight not been "saved from great peril".
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840 sailors tested positive for COVID-19, one died. That shows it was not a straightforward issue to be taken lightly, which could not be solved all alone. Medically speaking, indeed in absence of reaction there was a need for action.
USS Theodore Roosevelt Aviation Ordnanceman Chief Petty Officer Charles Robert Thacker, 41, tested positive for COVID-19 on March 30, died on April 13.
A special motorcade escorted USS Theodore Roosevelt Chief Petty Officer Charles Robert Thacker to Andersen Air Force Base in Yigo. Dozens of motorcyclists led the motorcade on Marine Corps Drive.
https://www.facebook.com/postguam/v...etty-officer-charles-robert-/819378328550395/
USS Theodore Roosevelt Aviation Ordnanceman Chief Petty Officer Charles Robert Thacker, 41, tested positive for COVID-19 on March 30, died on April 13.
A special motorcade escorted USS Theodore Roosevelt Chief Petty Officer Charles Robert Thacker to Andersen Air Force Base in Yigo. Dozens of motorcyclists led the motorcade on Marine Corps Drive.
https://www.facebook.com/postguam/v...etty-officer-charles-robert-/819378328550395/
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Subject : Request for Assistance in Response to Covid-19 Pandemic.
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I've said my piece.
Reinstatement is merely to get the press out of the Navy's business. It's a sad state of affairs when the nations's defense uses social media and the CNN effect to influence their decision making.
Steering from observing your wake doesn't work so well.
https://www.williamtoti.com/post/what-s-right-got-to-do-with-it
Reinstatement is merely to get the press out of the Navy's business. It's a sad state of affairs when the nations's defense uses social media and the CNN effect to influence their decision making.
Steering from observing your wake doesn't work so well.
https://www.williamtoti.com/post/what-s-right-got-to-do-with-it
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Very aware. I'm Ex-US Navy, and lived in Guam.
Aware, yes. Is that strange ? What is the maximum range in which a French woman can possibly have a view about something, 2,000 km from France ? 4,000 km ? 6,000 km ?
Ex-US Navy, and lived in Guam ? Congratulations for your service, Sir.
I have a close friend Active-US Navy, and living in Guam.
Ex-US Navy, and lived in Guam ? Congratulations for your service, Sir.
I have a close friend Active-US Navy, and living in Guam.
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My apologies. My truncated sentence structure caused misunderstanding.
I meant "I am very aware."
Thanks for explaining, you don't have to apologize. It was my fault, sorry, I reacted quite badly, arrogant. Certainly tired while still at work now then I missunderstood but that is no excuse. Silly me.
My American friend who is living there told me that in the town of Sinajana there is a permanent French consular representation which is an extension from the French Consulate-General in San Francisco (9330 km apart..) ! Why not a real consulate ? The French bureaucracy and its mysteries...
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Bonjour,
Mme. P. But the French invented the word bureaucracy...
bureaucracy (n.)"government by bureaus," especially "tyrannical officialdom," excessive multiplication of administrative bureaus and concentration of power in them, in reference to their tendency to interfere in private matters and be inefficient and inflexible, 1818, from French bureaucratie, coined by French economist Jean Claude Marie Vincent de Gournay (1712-1759) on model of democratie, aristocratie, from bureau "office," literally "desk" (see bureau) + Greek suffix -kratia denoting "power of" (see -cracy).
Formidable, n'est pas?
Mme. P. But the French invented the word bureaucracy...
bureaucracy (n.)"government by bureaus," especially "tyrannical officialdom," excessive multiplication of administrative bureaus and concentration of power in them, in reference to their tendency to interfere in private matters and be inefficient and inflexible, 1818, from French bureaucratie, coined by French economist Jean Claude Marie Vincent de Gournay (1712-1759) on model of democratie, aristocratie, from bureau "office," literally "desk" (see bureau) + Greek suffix -kratia denoting "power of" (see -cracy).
Formidable, n'est pas?
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