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Old 04-24-2017, 08:18 PM   #121
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A little over two years
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Old 04-24-2017, 09:17 PM   #122
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A little over two years
Then time. You better check into it.
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Old 04-25-2017, 07:16 AM   #123
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A little over two years
Redundant, but make sure you only go to the CG website.

https://www.uscg.mil/nvdc/forms/cg1261.pdf
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Old 04-25-2017, 09:18 AM   #124
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This is what I see when I pull up my boat:

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Why is there no expiration date?
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Old 04-25-2017, 09:51 AM   #125
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Why is there no expiration date?
Expired, perhaps. I'd call and find out. If it is within 31 days of having expired, you can do a simple renewal, which I'd do online for expediency. If it's been longer, you have to do a reinstatement which is the same form used initially for documentation, CG-1258. There is an additional fee of $84 on top of the regular fees for renewal.
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If I USCG document... and keep my boat in a different state than my "home" address.. how exactly would a state have a basis and means for collecting property/ad valorum/sales tax?

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If I USCG document... and keep my boat in a different state than my "home" address.. how exactly would a state have a basis and means for collecting property/ad valorum/sales tax?

Property tax and sales tax laws differ by state so can't answer in detail.

However, generally property taxes will be assessed based on where the boat is located. Sales taxes will be charged based on where purchased, except when intent is to leave the state purchased exemptions are available. Then use tax will be assessed by the state to which the boat is taken.

You can always buy and keep your boat in a state with no taxes but then that might not be convenient to you.
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Old 04-25-2017, 12:01 PM   #128
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If I USCG document... and keep my boat in a different state than my "home" address.. how exactly would a state have a basis and means for collecting property/ad valorum/sales tax?

With computers it's pretty easy to track property taxes, state registrations or lack there of.

When we were based in a large municipal marina in WA State, a tax representative would walk the docks maybe once a year and ask particularly boats, those that were documented from other states more often than others what their tax status was.

Cap Sante Marina in Anacortes WA, when we asked about long term moorage, they said we would have to show either State registration or a temporary vessel ID doc after 60 days. Hobo's AK documented.

A friend had his vessel impounded in MA. It was Delaware documented and had been in the state for 2 years, not registered or sales tax paid.
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If I USCG document... and keep my boat in a different state than my "home" address.. how exactly would a state have a basis and means for collecting property/ad valorum/sales tax?
They'll walk the docks and seek out any boats in the state for more than XX days, which don't have a valid in-state registration or tax decal.

But there's another way: they'll review the CG documented vessel database for boats with a "hailing port" in their state.

Now, understand that you can legally choose ANY geographic place name for your hailing port. It doesn't have to be where the boat is, where you live, or have any connection to you.

Still, it gives the state a clue, and they WILL act on it.
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Appears expired for over eight years.
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Old 04-25-2017, 06:31 PM   #131
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I need to call, obviously, like others said. My name is on the documentation after the original owner Harry Cole Jr. I bought the boat a couple of years ago.

The lender did the documentation paperwork so I was out of the loop initially, and obviously I'm still out of the loop. Lol.
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File a complaint with the Postal Inspectors

Here is some information from the Postal Inspectors website. Don't know if what you described is "over the line", but it sure seems close.

https://postalinspectors.uspis.gov/i...vtSchemes.aspx

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A variety of false representation schemes involve mailed solicitations that offer for a fee certain services available free of charge from the government. Often the company's name and mailing design deceptively imply that the company is or has ties to a government agency. If you receive such a solicitation, you should call the government agency that maintains the information being sold by the promoter and ask if it is available for free from that agency.

If you have been victimized in one of these schemes, or if you have received a suspicious solicitation in the mail, report your experience to your local postmaster or nearest Postal Inspector.
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Probably the same people who masquerade as the USPS address change site and charge you $20 for the same service the USPS charges $1 for.
And the only reason the USPS charges the dollar is to verify identity.
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The problem isn't the service itself, even though I don't think the particular company mentioned adds any value. Others who handle documentation do. The issue is that they attempt to make it appear they're the USCG agency. A real title and documentation service makes it clear what the USCG charge is and what they charge and the extras they provide.
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Just a reminder to all you owners of documented boats, when it comes time to renew, only go to the CG documentation website and renew for $26. If you get a reminder letter and it gives you a website address and they want $75, that is not the CG website but a private documentation service. The letter looks very official and fools many people into thinking it came from the CG. It even has a West VA return address even though it was mailed from CAL.
BEWARE!
Damnit! They fooled me!

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Damnit! They fooled me!

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Sorry they got you too, tallswede. Tell everyone you know about this. Best way to stop these people is by spreading the word. Once enough people find out, the company will find the little bit of income they get, won't pay the expense of mailing out the reminder letters.
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Old 04-27-2017, 02:47 AM   #137
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Same thing happens with the ESTA online process for a visa to enter USA. There is the official site, and a heap of others, charging more, pretending to be the official site, clipping the ticket for $ while doing zip.
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"However, generally property taxes will be assessed based on where the boat is located"

In CT the tax man forces the marina and boat yards to compile a list of every boat , on shore , at a dock or moored .

Mandated , but unpaid for of course.
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In addition to BOAT US putting out a press release about this, the United States Power Squadron put a warning in their spring publication, The Ensign, warning boaters not to fall for this.
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In addition to the press release put out by BOAT US, the U.S. Power Squadron also had a article in their spring publication warning boaters to beware.
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