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03-26-2023, 12:02 PM
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Member
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: El Viaje
Vessel Model: PT motor yacht
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 14
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California Emissions Nightmare
We bought a new inflatable dinghy in December of 2022 after putting a massive gash in our old dinghy. We filled in the CA DMV registration and submitted that, we see our payment was accepted on January 3 2023. We received mail back from the CA DMV just recently rejecting our registration because "CA EMISSIONS CERTIFICATION IS REQUIRED". That is all it says. We've called CA DMV multiple times and we finally found that they have no idea what that means, and they referred us to the California Air Resources Board.
Although the inflatable dinghy is new, we simply took the 2109 20HP mercury outboard off the old inflatable dinghy and put it on the new one. This motor has the three stars ultra low emissions sticker on it. We did not have to do any emissions certification on the old one and we have no idea how to get the certification so that we can pass it on to CA DMV and successfully register our new dinghy.
I gather this may be a new rule in CA that requires emissions certification/testing on all motors (inboard, outboard) that are less than 500 HP so I expect a lot of people are experiencing our pain. But so far we have had no luck figuring out how to get this emissions certification. Has anyone else successfully navigated this new rule in CA?
Thanks
Glenn
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03-26-2023, 01:54 PM
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TF Site Team
City: Puget Sound
Vessel Name: Muirgen
Vessel Model: 50' Beebe Passagemaker
Join Date: May 2019
Posts: 2,784
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Let me get this straight, the agency that issued the statement that the CA EMISSIONS CERTIFICATION was required, doesn't even know what that means? And is directing you to another CA agency?
The crazy thing is, a dinghy like that doesn't even have to have an engine to be usable! I guess if I am the motive power, using oars, I would be required to submit a "CA EMISSIONS CERTIFICATION" before I could row it? Would it depend on what I had recently eaten? Wow, just wow . . . nother reason to live somewhere else.
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Vessel Name: Muirgen
Vessel Model: 50' Beebe Passagemaker
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03-26-2023, 02:00 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 19,171
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Quote:
Originally Posted by slowgoesit
Let me get this straight, the agency that issued the statement that the CA EMISSIONS CERTIFICATION was required, doesn't even know what that means? And is directing you to another CA agency?
The crazy thing is, a dinghy like that doesn't even have to have an engine to be usable! I guess if I am the motive power, using oars, I would be required to submit a "CA EMISSIONS CERTIFICATION" before I could row it? Would it depend on what I had recently eaten? Wow, just wow . . . nother reason to live somewhere else.
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Do you have toxic emissions???
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03-26-2023, 02:05 PM
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Guru
City: Gulf Islands, BC Canada
Vessel Name: Sea Sanctuary
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4588
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 3,937
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Comodave
Do you have toxic emissions???
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He will not know until certified.
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You only need one working engine. That is why I have two.
Sea Sanctuary-new to me 1992 Bayliner 4588
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03-26-2023, 02:06 PM
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Senior Member
City: Lake Wales/Greenbackville
Vessel Name: "OLD BAY"
Vessel Model: 1979 Grand Banks #599
Join Date: May 2022
Posts: 166
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Why does this not surprise me....
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03-26-2023, 02:14 PM
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Guru
City: Newark, DE
Vessel Name: Infinity
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 48
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 683
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https://www.westernbass.com/forum/ho...8-t119962.html
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I received this info from Evinrude the first time my out of state purchase, to go to this site!
Calif. Air Resoures Board,
https://ww3.arb.ca.gov/msprog/offroad/cert/cert_mfr.php
1. Browse Executive Orders, then scroll down to Spark-Ignition Marine Engines.
2. Select model year. then browse to your motor. Shows years 2001 to 2019!
3. Once you find your motor, click the highlighted in blue and print the executive order.
4. Take the printed copy to DMV!
That's it!!
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03-26-2023, 02:16 PM
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Guru
City: Newark, DE
Vessel Name: Infinity
Vessel Model: Kadey Krogen 48
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 683
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03-26-2023, 02:54 PM
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Member
City: San Diego
Vessel Name: El Viaje
Vessel Model: PT motor yacht
Join Date: Jun 2020
Posts: 14
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danderer
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I have no idea how you know this danderer, but this is the BEST!
You should get an honorary CA DMV and/or CARB award.
I've printed this out and will take it to the DMV. I have no idea why neither CARB nor the CA DMV had the slightest clue as to what I should do. You are a lifesaver.
Thank you
Glenn
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03-26-2023, 03:32 PM
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Guru
City: Boston
Vessel Name: Adelante
Vessel Model: IG 30
Join Date: Nov 2016
Posts: 1,579
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Quote:
Originally Posted by danderer
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Thanks! Nice research job through murky (and numerous) CA regs.
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03-28-2023, 02:41 PM
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Senior Member
City: Phoenix, AZ
Vessel Name: Enigma
Vessel Model: 1997 Wellcraft Excel 26 SE
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 380
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Just don't put gas powered leaf blower on your yacht in California!
https://www.mercurynews.com/2021/10/...t-affects-you/
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03-28-2023, 02:52 PM
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Guru
City: Gulf Islands, BC Canada
Vessel Name: Sea Sanctuary
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4588
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 3,937
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Action
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I think gas powered outboards will be included.
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You only need one working engine. That is why I have two.
Sea Sanctuary-new to me 1992 Bayliner 4588
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03-28-2023, 03:05 PM
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Guru
City: Los Angeles
Join Date: Feb 2020
Posts: 1,294
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I would ban gas engined leaf blowers just for the annoyance factor. Use a rake!
Gas chain saws, OTOH, at least have a performance advantage over battery ones.
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03-28-2023, 04:35 PM
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Moderator Emeritus
City: Au Gres, MI
Vessel Name: Black Dog
Vessel Model: Formula 41PC
Join Date: Jul 2015
Posts: 19,171
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Quote:
Originally Posted by KnotYet
I would ban gas engined leaf blowers just for the annoyance factor. Use a rake!
Gas chain saws, OTOH, at least have a performance advantage over battery ones.
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We went to a battery powered leaf blower. Have had gas, hard to start. Have had 120 volt, had to drag a power cord. Battery powered has none of those issues. Love it.
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03-28-2023, 06:10 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 16,102
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Greetings,
OK. Electric leaf blowers, chain saws, lawn mowers, yard tractors? and automobiles/trucks. Where is the electrical power coming from? Hmmmm....
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03-28-2023, 07:02 PM
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Guru
City: Rochester, NY
Vessel Name: Hour Glass
Vessel Model: Chris Craft 381 Catalina
Join Date: Aug 2019
Posts: 6,702
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly
Greetings,
OK. Electric leaf blowers, chain saws, lawn mowers, yard tractors? and automobiles/trucks. Where is the electrical power coming from? Hmmmm....
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To the end user, it doesn't matter, as the original power source can be changed out or upgraded without the end user having to change anything. That and the lack of fussy operation for inquiring infrequently used lawn equipment makes the electric ones rather nice (as long as your use case fits their capability).
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03-28-2023, 07:18 PM
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Guru
City: Port Townsend Washington
Vessel Name: " OTTER "
Vessel Model: Ocean Alexander Europa 40
Join Date: Nov 2009
Posts: 2,324
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One of the dozens of reasons we love not living in Cali anymore.
The issue is Washington is getting just as bad.
So nice to have the politicians looking out of us.
HOLLYWOOD
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03-28-2023, 09:13 PM
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Guru
City: San Francisco
Join Date: Apr 2018
Posts: 2,810
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I guess this means if you went to register a dinghy with an old two stroke, you'd be rejected? They probably won't like my British Seagull and its 10:1 mix.
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03-28-2023, 10:16 PM
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Senior Member
City: Phoenix, AZ
Vessel Name: Enigma
Vessel Model: 1997 Wellcraft Excel 26 SE
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 380
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^^^You would be a short term visitor. Very short.
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03-29-2023, 01:39 AM
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Guru
City: Between Oregon and Alaska
Vessel Name: Charlie Harper
Vessel Model: Wheeler Shipyard 83'
Join Date: Jun 2016
Posts: 2,902
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I was born in California, but I rarely admit it. I left in 1967 to go to Vietnam. I liked it better there. I tried to return to California twice and had 2 businesses there. But I eventually realized you couldn't do business in that state. And it would only get worse.
The California Resources Board was one reason, there were many others. There are a few places and people I would like to visit, but I just can't force myself to go there.
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03-29-2023, 08:54 AM
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Senior Member
City: Homer, Ak
Vessel Name: Unicorn
Vessel Model: 1970 50' DEFEVER OFFSHORE CRUISER Timber
Join Date: Apr 2020
Posts: 444
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why they need to know that the dingy is powered? it can be rowed.
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