Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread Display Modes
 
Old 01-14-2022, 04:18 PM   #1
Member
 
City: Marietta
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 6
Adding cameras

I need to add a back down camera to my Grand Banks Europa trawler for single handed docking. Extremely difficult getting wires from my electronics crib (which has wired video feeds to upper and lower helm Raymarine chart plotters) to a rearward location. I’d much prefer to view camera feed on the existing Raymarine(s) then on yet another device.

Anyone have success with a local network and Bluetooth compatible cameras feeding my phone or any iPad or tablet or best yet integrating to my Raymarine plotters? One other question would be how long do batteries in Bluetooth compatible cameras typically stay charged?
mdresdner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-14-2022, 11:16 PM   #2
Veteran Member
 
wfleenor's Avatar
 
City: Scappoose, OR
Vessel Name: Double-Wide
Vessel Model: 49ft Custom Power Catamaran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 93
I had a similar problem after I moved the boat from Portland, OR to SF Bay. I have a 23ft2in beam power catamaran and back into a 28ft wide slip. I found most off the shelf wifi cameras had too much latency (delay) to be useful. I found these cameras and added the necessary battery and changing circuits. I velcro them to the outside rails when I am coming in to dock and they work great. I use several other ESP32 boards to transmit data via SignalK already, so it was not too much trouble to get them working.

https://www.instructables.com/Gettin...ing-Video-Usi/
Attached Thumbnails
20211023_161440.jpg  
wfleenor is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2022, 10:18 PM   #3
Member
 
City: Marietta
Join Date: Aug 2020
Posts: 6
Thanks for the feedback. you are clearly more trchnilogically savy than I am!
mdresdner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-18-2022, 11:08 PM   #4
Guru
 
angus99's Avatar
 
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,668
Take a look at Wyze wireless outdoor cams—$59 and drop dead easy to set up and operate. Battery operated and they can link directly to a phone or tablet, avoiding the base station. Not sure about latency, but other Wyze cams I run on WiFi have maybe a one-second delay. I’ll be using an articulating mount with a clamp that will allow me to move the cam to wherever I need it.
angus99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 01:20 AM   #5
Senior Member
 
NWSeadog's Avatar
 
City: La Conner, WA
Vessel Name: Carousel
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4788 (1998)
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 219
anguss99 - Am I missing something? It looks like the Wyze cam either needs a internet connection via WIFI or you need to change the firmware to RTSP and connect to it via a onboard WIFI router with some video software such as VLC.
NWSeadog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 07:53 AM   #6
Guru
 
angus99's Avatar
 
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,668
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWSeadog View Post
anguss99 - Am I missing something? It looks like the Wyze cam either needs a internet connection via WIFI or you need to change the firmware to RTSP and connect to it via a onboard WIFI router with some video software such as VLC.
My understanding is that the Wyze Outdoor Cam has a “travel mode,” which can be connected directly to your mobile devices and does not require an internet connection to operate. (It does, however, require an internet connection to set up.) We maintain a WiFi network on board as long as we’re in cell range and, as I plan to use this mostly for docking, WiFi shouldn’t be a consideration for us. At least that’s how I read this.

https://support.wyze.com/hc/en-us/ar...31-Travel-Mode
angus99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 12:42 PM   #7
Senior Member
 
NWSeadog's Avatar
 
City: La Conner, WA
Vessel Name: Carousel
Vessel Model: Bayliner 4788 (1998)
Join Date: Jun 2018
Posts: 219
We have a WIFI network on board that connects to the marina WIFI system when we are in our home port and use Wyze cams for monitoring the boat.

Wyze has never been good at clearly describing there products. In reading about there "travel mode" function I'm not sure it will work as you describe. They say "Travel Mode records motion & time-lapse videos locally to a MicroSD card for when you’re without an internet connection or base station." I think this is more like a game camera function then a live viewing WIFI camera.

I'd be interested if you get this up and running as a live camera without an internet connection.

https://wyze.com/wyze-cam-outdoor.html#pageDetails
NWSeadog is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 01:22 PM   #8
Senior Member
 
Scottwb96's Avatar
 
City: Burien
Vessel Name: Star Weird
Vessel Model: Camargue
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 335
Pretty much all the MFD's out there (Raymarine included) want you to use their "crappy" WAY OVERPRICED cameras. The camera tech they are using is for cams 7-10 years ago (1-3MP) and they cost around $400-$500 vs. 8K capable cams for ~$50-$100...

As far as I know Raymarine still doesn't enable the use of wifi/wireless cams on their network. I've heard it has to do with the limited network capabilities (amount of data that can travel across their network).

That all being said, there are some "work-arounds"...

Here's a link to Panbo. There's quite a few people testing various options on cam integrations (me included).

https://panbo.com/broad-ip-camera-su...ine-advantage/

For a "simple solution" and something I have found to be a great add-on, I have added a Reolink PTZ camera wifi w/ a solar charging panel <$150 total. I have mine mounted high on my radar arch. I have 360° visibility 24/7 day/night. I do have a wifi network on the boat so I can also view when away. Besides the SUPER SIMPLE install, no wire to run, just mount and GO... I have really liked the ability to check on things at the boat when I am not there. I have even used it a few times at night while moving. It's got night vision and with it being up so high, gives me pretty good visibility of "stuff/logs" in the water and the IR reflects off unmarked buoys as well... I also like the fact I can be laying in bed and do a 360° check of the boat from my phone/iPad...

If you want to get a bit more in-depth and technical, you can add cams to your Raymarine, they just have to fall within their specs. This week I have added 4 cams in my engine room and adding cams to the cockpit area (generator). Simple little TP-Link ~$20 8 port switch to connect them all into the Raymarine network.

1st pic is the Reolink (not on Raymarine) but visible on everything/everywhere else...

The rest are all ~$50 IP cams I am connecting in. LOL, please excuse the mess, still in the process of installing everything...
Attached Thumbnails
Screenshot_20220119-100716_Reolink.jpg   20220114_181419.jpg   20220114_181414.jpg   20220114_181309.jpg   20220114_181347.jpg  

20220114_145917.jpg  
Attached Files
File Type: pdf Video input sources for MFD's using LightHouse II and LightHouse 3.pdf (159.5 KB, 27 views)
Scottwb96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 02:25 PM   #9
Member
 
City: Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Mahanda
Vessel Model: GB 36 Classic
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 16
Scottwb, many thanks for the comments on Reolink as I have been looking at their PTZ also. Do you happen to know if it has a mirror image mode, which would let it be used like a “conventional” backup camera?
And FWIW, the Wyze Outdoor Cam does not have that capability (mirroring display, that is), just in case someone else was thinking along those lines.
Moersea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 03:49 PM   #10
Senior Member
 
Scottwb96's Avatar
 
City: Burien
Vessel Name: Star Weird
Vessel Model: Camargue
Join Date: Apr 2019
Posts: 335
It looks like there's a setting for it... I also just did a "flip" setting and that may also work...

https://support.reolink.com/hc/en-us...eolink-PoE-NVR
Attached Thumbnails
Screenshot_20220119-124650_Reolink.jpg  
Scottwb96 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 04:01 PM   #11
Member
 
City: Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Mahanda
Vessel Model: GB 36 Classic
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 16
Many thanks! If the latency is within bounds, that may be the way to go.
Moersea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 05:14 PM   #12
Guru
 
angus99's Avatar
 
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,668
Quote:
Originally Posted by NWSeadog View Post
We have a WIFI network on board that connects to the marina WIFI system when we are in our home port and use Wyze cams for monitoring the boat.
We do likewise when we have decent marina WiFi. Otherwise, our Peplink router pulls from cell towers and we (usually) have WiFi underway. When underway, I only want the outdoor cam for docking and rear viewing when we’re at the lower helm.

Quote:
Originally Posted by NWSeadog View Post
Wyze has never been good at clearly describing there products. In reading about there "travel mode" function I'm not sure it will work as you describe. They say "Travel Mode records motion & time-lapse videos locally to a MicroSD card for when you’re without an internet connection or base station." I think this is more like a game camera function then a live viewing WIFI camera.

I'd be interested if you get this up and running as a live camera without an internet connection.
I’m installing an outdoor cam at home today—where we’ll normally use the base station/WiFi. Not sure why the instructions for travel mode would have me pair it to my mobile device, but it’s certainly possible I misread. I’ll try the travel mode in the next day or two and will post what I learn.

https://wyze.com/wyze-cam-outdoor.html#pageDetails[/QUOTE]
angus99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-19-2022, 05:55 PM   #13
Guru
 
angus99's Avatar
 
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,668
Well, I won’t get to test mine today, but here’s a tutorial that shows the camera connecting directly to the phone without an internet connection. (Config starts at 02:00.) Latency looks to be about one second, which should work fine for us.

https://youtu.be/TPUoXeBD4g4
angus99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2022, 11:40 AM   #14
Guru
 
angus99's Avatar
 
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,668
I was able to test the Wyze Outdoor cam in travel mode today and it works exactly as described: no internet connection required. I paired it directly with my iPad (home WiFi turned off) and am very pleased with the image quality and latency which, typically, is one second or less.
Attached Thumbnails
9E51E2DD-98EB-4029-9E1A-5287A3E024A9.jpg  
angus99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2022, 01:44 PM   #15
Guru
 
wkearney99's Avatar
 
City: Bethesda, MD
Vessel Name: Solstice
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 47 Eastbay FB
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,802
Does the Wyze outdoor support external power from solar? Or is it just internal battery only?

I have some Blink outdoor cams and their latency would not make them ideal for backup camera purposes. They're great for monitoring but not fast enough for live viewing for maneuvering.
__________________
-- Bill Kearney
2005 Eastbay 47 FB - Solstice, w/Highfield CL360 tender
wkearney99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2022, 01:52 PM   #16
Member
 
City: Great Lakes
Vessel Name: Mahanda
Vessel Model: GB 36 Classic
Join Date: Jun 2021
Posts: 16
Turns out that the Blink outdoor cams also do not support a mirrored display, which further sours their use for backup.
Moersea is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2022, 05:02 PM   #17
Guru
 
angus99's Avatar
 
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,668
Quote:
Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post
Does the Wyze outdoor support external power from solar? Or is it just internal battery only?

I have some Blink outdoor cams and their latency would not make them ideal for backup camera purposes. They're great for monitoring but not fast enough for live viewing for maneuvering.
Internal battery, but I’m sure a solar USB charger could be adapted. Also, the cam is held to the base magnetically, so removing it to charge is a snap. The one-sec +/- latency* doesn’t look like it will be a problem for us—hopefully I won’t be moving fast enough around any structure that it would matter.

*occasionally it can be a couple of seconds, but closing and reopening the app gets me back to one second.
angus99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2022, 05:05 PM   #18
Guru
 
wkearney99's Avatar
 
City: Bethesda, MD
Vessel Name: Solstice
Vessel Model: Grand Banks 47 Eastbay FB
Join Date: Feb 2018
Posts: 1,802
Quote:
Originally Posted by angus99 View Post
Internal battery, but I’m sure a solar USB charger could be adapted.
Some have support on the lid/door/cover to allow for a 'weather tight' connection to be made, I checked the Wyze page for it and it wasn't clear if that was supported or not. There is an accessory cable listed, but I don't know how well that 'seals' with the camera.
__________________
-- Bill Kearney
2005 Eastbay 47 FB - Solstice, w/Highfield CL360 tender
wkearney99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2022, 06:10 PM   #19
Member
 
mrinkel's Avatar
 
City: Sioux Falls
Vessel Name: Positive Latitude
Vessel Model: Mainship 430
Join Date: Sep 2017
Posts: 21
I installed 4 of these cameras over the past couple of years:

https://www.amazon.com/Foscam-1080P-.../dp/B011US2ADK

There are newer ones available now, but I've been happy with them. I did wire 12v power to each from a switch panel at the helm to turn them on/off. I've got forward, aft, cockpit, and engine room. I don't really need the aft camera backing up, but I use it to keep an eye on what is coming up behind me. Typically I split screen the aft camera with a nav app running on a tablet.

A bit more than was asked, but since installing I've set-up a raspberry pi to capture the video while underway and to store images. It's nice when we away from the boat to see what is happing around the boat, especially in bad weather.

I put together a time-lapse of a sunset from the foward camera a few days ago: https://youtu.be/raDlSJk-KOw

-Mark
m/v Positive Latitude
Mainship 430
mrinkel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-20-2022, 08:21 PM   #20
Guru
 
angus99's Avatar
 
City: Signal Mtn., TN
Vessel Name: Stella Maris
Vessel Model: Defever 44
Join Date: Feb 2012
Posts: 2,668
Quote:
Originally Posted by wkearney99 View Post
Some have support on the lid/door/cover to allow for a 'weather tight' connection to be made, I checked the Wyze page for it and it wasn't clear if that was supported or not. There is an accessory cable listed, but I don't know how well that 'seals' with the camera.
It doesn’t seal weather-tight when the cable is connected, but does when the cable is removed. I’m guessing the cam will need recharging after a couple days’ constant use. This works fine for me since we’ll only use it while docking or piloting from the lower helm. I have a clamp-on arm to move it from place to place and will not mount it permanently anywhere.
Attached Thumbnails
3FA8E0A1-ED4B-45AC-8E27-0074811C9B2E.jpg  
angus99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
bluetooth, cameras, local area network

Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off


» Trawler Port Captains
Port Captains are TF volunteers who can serve as local guides or assist with local arrangements and information. Search below to locate Port Captains near your destination. To learn more about this program read here: TF Port Captain Program





All times are GMT -5. The time now is 08:13 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.8 Beta 4
Copyright ©2000 - 2022, vBulletin Solutions, Inc.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.6.0
Copyright 2006 - 2012