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03-04-2014, 03:34 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
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What's that?
Pilothouseking, what about that sail rig? how do you see forward?
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03-04-2014, 03:51 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
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Greetings,
Mr. m. Sailboats don't have to see forward. They always have the right of way.
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RTF
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03-04-2014, 09:03 PM
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City: Longboat Key, FL
Vessel Name: Bucky
Vessel Model: Krogen Manatee 36 North Sea
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Looks like Art's design he spoke about months ago. Looks like Art in the foreground too.
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"When life gets hard, eat marshmallows”.
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03-05-2014, 12:04 AM
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City: SF Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by healhustler
Looks like Art's design he spoke about months ago. Looks like Art in the foreground too.
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Hi Larry - Thanks for mentioning my name!
Nope, that's a completely different Trawler Sail than my design; and surely not me in photo! Seems it may be relatively efficient. Wonder how it stows out of way? And... Tacking?? Larger rudder surfaces may be needed. As Mark intimates... seeing ahead could become a task. Clear fabric sail material stitched in all across at eye level?? 
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03-05-2014, 12:34 AM
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Guru
City: Longboat Key, FL
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I suppose whenever the wind would encourage the use of a spinnaker, this would be a great thing for a get-home or cruising assist if you had enough rudder. Otherwise?? Gee, I thought that was you with a Florida tan, Art.
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"When life gets hard, eat marshmallows”.
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03-05-2014, 01:19 AM
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Senior Member
City: Silverado, CA
Vessel Name: Osprey
Vessel Model: Nimble Wanderer
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RT Firefly
Greetings,
Mr. m. Sailboats don't have to see forward. They always have the right of way.
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Try telling that to the rock!
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03-05-2014, 01:50 PM
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Guru
City: St. Lucie VILLAGE -NOT- Port St. Lucie!!!!!
Vessel Model: 15' Hobie Power Skiff w/90hp Yamaha-owned 28 years. Also a 2001 Bayliner 3788 that I took in trade
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That's Harry Schoell and one of his infinity Yacht designs. I had posted it in a thread about wide boats, as he designed many. The Deltaconic hull design was his. He was way ahead of his time design wise, but was exactly in the right time of when there were lots of rich guys (back before it became so common, and mega mansions popped up everywhere- I mean unless you have the talent of Elvis, you don't deserve a bigger house than Elvis, do you?)who funded the building of interesting boats for the sake of "let's see what happens". All of those guys are now gone, but they left many really cool yachts. Google up Harry Schoell images. I've been in many, and their interiors are so cool. Never any wood, very high tech (even by todays standards) but heavy on hot tubs in the staterooms. I guess they remind me of what the movie Casino gave one a glimpse of: Good times for the high rollers. Oh, and his boats weren't build in moulds, they were built in jigs with flat panels, which saved a fortune in not having to make moulds. Ahead of his time. Now we have billionaire app designers, and not only do they not mess with boats, but some don't even like comverible cars! And that thing Steve Jobs left on the planet? Lesson number one of why interior designers shouldn't draw exteriors.
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03-05-2014, 06:47 PM
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City: Baltimore
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Wait. Someone actually paid for that thing? J/k. PK, I am not sure how you can find redeeming qualities about this idea. Especially when you are so critical of other unique design and ideas.
Not meant as an insult...quite the contrary. If I find myself in south Florida with time to kill I'd enjoy a good conversation, heck I'll even buy you a beer...domestic. I am a civil servant.
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03-05-2014, 06:50 PM
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Guru
City: Longboat Key, FL
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I can't wait to hear what nickname FF comes up with for that device. Oxygen Tent is already taken.
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"When life gets hard, eat marshmallows”.
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03-05-2014, 06:54 PM
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It looks like the model he is holding has a propeller on it to fill the sail... Interesting theory.
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03-05-2014, 06:59 PM
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The propeller is only used for going backwards. Surprised you didn't realize that.
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03-05-2014, 07:04 PM
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Senior Member
City: Florida USA and Ontario Canada
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hmason
The propeller is only used for going backwards.
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... or nowhere in this case. Wind generator?
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03-05-2014, 07:08 PM
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City: Stuart FL
Vessel Name: Lucky Lucky
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Can a battery power an electric motor that spins a generator that recharges the battery?? Hmm, I've just invented perpetual motion and gave it away without a patent.
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03-05-2014, 09:12 PM
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City: SF Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by hmason
Can a battery power an electric motor that spins a generator that recharges the battery?? Hmm, I've just invented perpetual motion and gave it away without a patent.
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Laws of efficiency reductions trump ya!  But, don't give up now! 
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03-05-2014, 09:29 PM
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City: SF Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by healhustler
I can't wait to hear what nickname FF comes up with for that device. Oxygen Tent is already taken.
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I recommend "Blow Fish" 
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03-05-2014, 09:31 PM
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Guru
City: SF Bay Area
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Quote:
Originally Posted by healhustler
I can't wait to hear what nickname FF comes up with for that device. Oxygen Tent is already taken.
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Seems like a "Blow Fish" to me! 
Also, looks to be filled with at least some wind... but... not a trace of wake disturbance off stern.  Efficiency?? 
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03-06-2014, 12:41 AM
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Guru
City: St. Lucie VILLAGE -NOT- Port St. Lucie!!!!!
Vessel Model: 15' Hobie Power Skiff w/90hp Yamaha-owned 28 years. Also a 2001 Bayliner 3788 that I took in trade
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Quote:
Originally Posted by eseyoung
Wait. Someone actually paid for that thing? J/k. PK, I am not sure how you can find redeeming qualities about this idea. Especially when you are so critical of other unique design and ideas.
Not meant as an insult...quite the contrary. If I find myself in south Florida with time to kill I'd enjoy a good conversation, heck I'll even buy you a beer...domestic. I am a civil servant.
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I don't remember being critical of unique designs. I try to find the positive in everything, but comparing peoples homemade budget cobblers to Harry Schoell designs? That's like comparing my boutique (polite word for piss ant) Brokerage to Camper and Nicholson.
I don't drink (but boy those were good days, I still hear stories about myself, and no longer drive 155 on I-95, new wife tamed me) alcohol, but I would be happy to share some Cuban Coffee with you and will discuss boats and politics (I'm now lobbying for Spain or Britain to save us in South Florida from USA, the same as Russian saved the Crimeans) over at Versailles on Calle Ocho. WAIT, are you saying you work for the FEDS?!! This should be fun.  See all these boats? All built back in the 80's, maybe one or two by 92. FAST, WIDE (which was the thread I originally posted this in) BUT in a unique "circle"-the yard where all these boats below were built IS where that wrecked Nordhavn 46' I posted months, ago is STILL located. Hmmm.
see that little boat with the women in front of his big one? It set a speed record for a STEAM powered boat at 60 mph fairly recently.
Harry designed all those Trojan Meter series that still look sharp today once the stripes are removed.
 I'll take this interior ANY day over dark gloomy wooded (usually with dark stains) ones with teak parqueted soles I see so much of. THIS will never go out of style. And this was before flat screen TVS!
 50 knots..in the 80s.
and not one of you guys noticed the chick sitting on the swim platform on the original photo, instead commenting on the sailing rig? Who said "maricon's"? lol 1980s folks!! Go look at your 1980s boat and then look at these. Go look again. Look at these again. Guess which one's haven't decomposed? :>)
Since founding Schoell Marine more than 40 years ago, Harry successfully built that company and its reputation based on his original ideas, highly trained engineers, skilled drafts people, and prototype and production specialists. Schoell Marine covers all facets of contemporary boat design and manufacturing. His inventiveness has resulted in over 40 specialized patents and patent applications, and Harry is known throughout the marine industry for his genius and is highly sought after for his knowledge and expertise. He is always thinking ahead and “outside the box”.
Harry also patented a Jet Drive System and a trimmable surface drive, as well as a “Ground Effect Craft” that would gently glide above the water using surface effect as the medium. Harry also holds patents on a lightweight yet powerful, compact internal engine that he designed and built in 1990.
Harry has won the Engineer of the Year Award and Designer of the Year Award from Vapor Trails Magazine. He has also been presented with four different Innovation of the Year Awards from the NMMA (National Marine Manufacturers Association): one for a multi-hull boat design, one for a surface drive propulsion system, one for marine engine conversion, and a final one for a stepped hull design. All designs were patented in recent years. Harry belongs to SAE (Society of Automotive Engineers), the ASME (American Society of Marine Engineers), and The Society of Naval Architects and Marine Engineers.
I'm telling you- ME and CUBAN COFFEE- you can't win. I will totally outlast you :>) Now you going to buy the boat or should I keep talking?
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03-06-2014, 08:17 AM
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Senior Member
City: Green Turtle Cay/Western NC
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That tingum is an "EBI", an expensive bad idea.
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03-06-2014, 11:32 AM
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Guru
City: Concrete Washington State
Vessel Name: Willy
Vessel Model: Willard Nomad 30'
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PK,
That 1st boat has some interesting lines. I like it.
The hull drawing looks like a variation of Ashcroft planking and DD planking. And i mix of Wishbone planking. Very interesting. Could use fairly heavy planking and still achieve a lot of twist in the bottom.
Infinity's looks on the outside is great. Inside is awful.
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North Western Washington State USA
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03-06-2014, 12:02 PM
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Guru
City: Powell River, BC
Vessel Name: Northern Spy
Vessel Model: Nordic Tug 26
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Apparently there is a huge difference between Miami and most of the rest of the world.
Looking at those pictures made me feel like I just watched a Miami Vice rerun.
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