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jimdavi

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New to coastal cruising and my standard horizon radio can scan more than 16/9. Wondering if you scan other channels, e.g. commercial merchant marine etc. I do have that traffic in the Bay Area.

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Personally, I don't like the scan feature, as it's easy to miss stuff. I've got dual VHFs at my helm, so normally I run with one on 9/16 dual watch, the other on 13. If I'm on a working channel, I'll typically do that on the one that's not doing dual watch and depending on the situation, I may change my dual watch to 13/16. If I'm in an area with VTS that I want to monitor, it'll be that dual watched with 16 and then 13 on the other radio typically.
 
I do not scan when cruising only because my radio takes too many steps to get into and out of scan. Its menu driven 3 layers deep. One of the few things I do not like about a S/H GX2200. It does have a 16/13 button that I set up 16/09 or 16/13 depending on what is coming up; bridges or locks.
Now my ICOM M125 at the lower station has one dedicated button in and out for dual watch and another dedicated button for scan.:thumb:
When I do, its channel 16, 13, and 09.
 
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I do not scan when cruising only because my radio takes too many steps to get into and out of scan. Its menu driven 3 layers deep.

Sounds like my B&G radio. What a stupid design! I'm always changing the scan settings, so that one doesn't get much use.

I can't imagine not being able to actively select which channels to scan on the fly, without having to dig out the manual!
 
I too dislike the scan feature. I used to use it untill I realized I missed calls from travelling companions AND safety warnings our our commercial and traffic channels. THere are lots of commercial movements where I used to boat.

If something comes on 16 it will immediately cut off the other channel. In the busy season this makes the scan almost useless. To boot if some bozo leaves the mic. on then the radio sticks on 16 untill the bozo figures it out, sometime hours, also meaning all chl 16 call are compromised even from your travel companions.

I started using my handheld with an earbud when monitoring a second channel . I no longer lost or missed calls of any type on the operating. That handheld in receive was almost as good as the main radio. Then if the handheld didn't have the range to transmit I could easily switch over the the main radio for communication .

I now have two dedicated wired in VHF each equipped with an auxiliary speaker arranged so I know which is which. One speaker behind me and the other off to the side of me. I know which to answer. THe other I usually turn down.

If there are situations such as traffic safety I still have the handheld and ear bud to use if needed. Gets a bit busy but this is not often.
 
Once again the contrarian... I really like the scan feature. I cruise the San Juan/Gulf Islands/Desolation Sound etc. and count on the scan feature to NOT miss vital information.

I scan:
16 obviously
13 Bridges, commercial traffic
22 Coast Guard
05 Seattle Traffic
11 (I think?) Victoria Traffic
66 Most marinas
68 My friends
 
I will have my stationary radio set up on 16 and my hand held scans.
 
I like the Icom way of tagging channels, quite easily. A large scan list does require cycle time, no matter the radio. There are features such as priority scan, which checks a few, or one, channel ever other scan stop. Great for 16, unless some fool has an open mic on 16. This is why many users have more than one VHF running.
 
IME, you won't miss anything by ignoring everything besides 15. If USCG has an announcement, they will advise on 16 and ask you switch to 22A for "important marine information". That said, I have two VHF radios, one set to 16, the other scans mostly "fishing channels". On a summer weekend day, those channels are not worth listening to. Just a bunch of fools playing their radio, or cursing, etc. Otherwise, there is often interesting, if not unreliable, fish chit chat.
 
In the Bahamas the VHF is the community telephone.

Some folks will use different channels as private phone .

The scanning VHF is great entertainment.
 
New to coastal cruising and my standard horizon radio can scan more than 16/9. Wondering if you scan other channels, e.g. commercial merchant marine etc. I do have that traffic in the Bay Area.


We have two VHF radios, and sometimes we scan, sometimes we don't.

Underway on a long trip, I usually keep one set to 16 and the other to 13... or sometimes the second is set to scan 13 and also the "fixed bridge" channel (09, from SC south), and sometimes we'll also add 22A to that mix.

Or if we're trolling, I'll set one to scan 16/13 and then use the other to scan the "fishing" channels.

We have two scan options -- priority and normal -- so the radio that is primarily for 16 gets set for priority scan.. which emphasizes 16.

Both radios will also include the weather alarm in either mode of scan. If it sounds, the weather alarm usually launches me off the flybridge...

-Chris
 
I used to scan but now find Dual Watch (many radios have Triple Watch) instead. It stays primarily on the channel you set and breaks in if there is a broadcast on 16 (and 9 for Triple Watch).

In harbors and inland waterways where it is important to know what large commercial traffic is doing and where you may need to communicate with them, 13 should be your primary channel. Commercial traffic will be using it primarily in busy areas and appreciate being contacted on their main channel instead of needing to reach for the second radio (required for commercial craft) that monitors 16. Contrary to urban legend, use of 13 is not restricted to commercial traffic. I have often heard pilots in the Saint John River ask yachts to please remain on 13 while in the river. Here is my rant on the subject from Cruisersnet:

Every vessel on waterways such as the ICW should be monitoring 13 as well as 16 for situational awareness about the bridges and what commercial traffic is doing. Few do so however so you will usually need to hail a vessel you are overtaking on 16 if you want to alert them. If your call is just, “Rover, this is Sea Queen passing you to port.” and all you need back it “Roger” or “Go Ahead”, then that is OK. However, if you want to ask which side, do they want a slow pass, etc., you should ask them to switch to another channel first. If someone overtaking you asks questions requiring more than a one word response, you should ask them to switch to another channel.

Following frequent USCG admonishments a couple days ago, most ICW travelers were switching to 17 or 68 for passing discussions after an initial 16 hail. This is fine but it makes more sense to use the channel identified for the purpose. Contrary to urban legend, 13 is not a channel for commercial craft. It just sounds like it because professionals use it as intended. 13 is the Bridge (helm) to Bridge (helm) channel for exchange of navigational information between vessels in a common situation such as passing or meeting. If you listen to it in busy areas such as the Saint John River, you’ll learn that the professionals NEVER call each other on 16 first. A direct hail on 13 is appropriate and saves 16 clutter. The reason commercial vessels hail recreational vessel on 16 first is because they know most yacht drivers are ignorant and don’t waste time trying to get them the proper way first. In the Saint John River, if you listen, you’ll discover that the pilots almost always hail yachts on 13 first because they want to follow correct procedure. You can then hear the eye roll (another idiot) as they hail on 16 and ask for a switch to 13. I’ve often heard them tell yachts to please stay on 13 all the time they are in the river.

We have a sign just below our name board that says, “Hail CH 13 to Pass”. It saves a lot of 16 airtime and button pushing. I monitor 16 (as legally required) via dual watch and switch to that for the few boats that ignore the sign. I have had many commercial professionals complement me on the sign and tell me they wish every yacht had one. An aside: Commercial vessels hate being hailed on 16 for passing and meeting calls because they are all using 13 as their primary channel and are required, unlike recreational craft, to have it on a second radio which may be located farther out of reach and which they seldom use. Calling them on 13 tells them that you know your radio procedure. I now use 13 as my primary channel on the waterways because my sign will bring most passing calls in on it. If I need to talk to someone in a hurry, it will probably be a tug and barge coming unexpectedly around a bend. They don’t come around unexpectedly as much any more because I have been listening to 13 and hearing them all along.

A big reason for using 13 is also that it defaults to low power so that you are not sharing your navigational discussions with boats 20-30 miles in each direction. 16 defaults to high power. Even if you know to hit the H/L button, every time most radios return to 16 from another channel to to scan or operator switch, 16 will be switched to 25 watts. Almost nobody, including myself, can remember to press H/L EVERY time before making a 16 transmission to a nearby boat or marina. Getting the waterway cruising community used to using 13 properly would eliminate a lot of 16 clutter. This would be of major benefit to vessels taking the outside route. They have to listen to the “This is the trawler behind the white sailboat. We hope you are having a very nice day and would like to know which side you would like us to pass on and whether you would like a slow pass.” drivel all the way down. I have had many tell me that the fear during the fall snowbird parade that they are afraid the could not get a distress heard in event of fire or sudden flooding. Just listening to it all day long is also annoying.

After you have figured out your passing arrangements on 13, if you want to tell the other vessel how nice it is, talk about where they are going, etc., then it is time to switch to another working channel. If your initial call to a nearby vessel is not about passing, meeting, or other exchange of navigation information, then the initial hail should be on 16 followed by switching to a working channel.

I’ve been massively flamed on the Internet for these thoughts but have yet to have one commercial professional disagree with me.
 

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I sit on 16. If I'm travelling with a friend, then 9/16. Hail each other on 9, then change to a working channel from there. I'm doing like 'rslifkin' describes (post #2) and adding a second unit in the upper-helm.
 
Where you are determines which secondary channels beyond 16 to scan or preferably have on another radio. I'm in the two radio camp as well, even three including the handheld. The radios I have used all defer priority to 16 when scanning. The Standards we've had also had a simple dual scan function.

In San Francisco Bay for instance, you might want one radio on 14, for VTS reports of big ships, and or 12 for the half hour VTS summary broadcast and 13 for ship to ship.

Up in the Delta, you can do pretty well with just 16 and 9 (which is the drawbridge channel, just like Florida)

You really have to know the territory, but I like having one radio devoted to 16 no matter what. One thing I liked up in much of the northeast was the common use of 9 as a direct hailing schedule for marinas and the like, which kept a lot of traffic off 16.
 
Personally, I don't like the scan feature, as it's easy to miss stuff. I've got dual VHFs at my helm, so normally I run with one on 9/16 dual watch, the other on 13. If I'm on a working channel, I'll typically do that on the one that's not doing dual watch and depending on the situation, I may change my dual watch to 13/16. If I'm in an area with VTS that I want to monitor, it'll be that dual watched with 16 and then 13 on the other radio typically.

I do the same. When in the Inside Passage I run 16 and VTS.
 

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