NOAA Says More Hurricanes - what's ur Plan

[RT Firefly]

Greetings,
Mr. ps. Ash Wednesday 1962? What about Hazel 1954?

 

[Benthic2]

... Powers that predict these things say 12-17 NAMED STORMS this year...maybe?

but unless they offer some geographic guidance, that's useless. information because you don't know if they are going to hit Texas or South Carolina....or never make landfall at all.

Even though we get hurricanes in New England they aren't the same as Florida. By the time a storm is this far north it is moving very fast. That storm speed is subtracted from the wind speed for everyone to the west of the track, and since the storms travel up the coast, there aren't many people to the east of the storm track. Plus we don't have the water temperatures to feed the hurricanes. In Florida ( and surrounding areas ) storms can stall just off the coast, grow in intensity and just batter the crap out of an area for an extended period.. The storms can still grow over land due to the everglades and Lake O, and there's no elevation to slow the wind speed in FL.

 

[psneeld]

Greetings,
Mr. ps. Ash Wednesday 1962? What about Hazel 1954?

For just being born...not sure about 1954 storms....?

But the 1962 storm put a Navy Destroyer Escort on the beach on Long Beach Island.

Yes the Navy probably got bettet...but not a storm to be sneezed at...one if my benchmarks.

That is why I protested that anyone thinks we sit fat, dumb and happy thinking we are not a primary hurricane zone.

 

[psneeld]

Benthic....

Extratropical stoms aren't as potent as hurricanes?

Not a fan of history I guess...or never spent time at sea in the North Atlantic.

Yeah I get the navigable semi circle idea...

Plenty of people in New England will be glad to relate their storm tales to you.

I personally have sat through at least one nor'easter in NJ that clocked 90 knot winds.

 

[Benthic2]

Benthic....

Extratropical stoms aren't as potent as hurricanes?

Not a fan of history I guess...or never spent time at sea in the North Atlantic.

Yeah I get the navigable semi circle idea...

Plenty of people in New England will be glad to relate their storm tales to you.

I personally have sat through at least one nor'easter in NJ that clocked 90 knot winds.

I have lived in New England most of my life. The only times I didn't live here, I was living in Florida for 10 years or on a ship for 4 years. While in Florida I had the eye of Frances pass over my house, and the eye of Jeanne came within 15 miles of my house. I also have worked as an analyst for an insurance company charged with setting rates for homeowners and hurricane damage is a large component of that.

I'm sure lots of people in New England have spectacular storm stories. I have some of my own as well. But the frequency and severity of storms here just does not compare to further south. Because of our lattitude the speed of the storms makes it exceedingly rare for anything west of the eye to be hurricane strength. That's not to say that Tropical Storm force winds can't do damage and be deadly.....but they are by definition, less sever than hurricane force winds. And for people at sea, during those storms, I agree, they are at great risk from very powerful forces....but there aren't that many people to the east of the storm tracks, and even when the storms do come inland, they move very fast, are of small diameter, and lose force quickly because hurricanes need warm water to generate their energy; so the area that is impacted by the high winds is much much less than when a storm its New Orleans or Homstead.

Of the top 15 costliest Hurricanes in the US only 2 impacted the North East ( Agnes in 1972 and Irene in 2011 )* Both of these storms made their initial landfall in southern states so they make the list in large part due to damage done down south.

*source: https://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/damage.asp?MR=1

 

[Scratchnsaw]

I love it when the weather bunnies tell us that the season will have more than a normal of hurricanes I have never known what is normal. These days the so called experts name a rain cloud so that they can get the numbers up. In the olden days there were no names and little warning.


But with the increased population along the coastal regions and the building along the lower sea level areas, this makes the storms worse when talking about the financial impact and property damages from the older days too.


. All it takes is one hurricane to make life miserable or even deadly, if the winds and even a combination of wind and water reach a certain level of severity.


The worse thing about most hurricanes is the clean up afterwards and potential access to perisable provisions. Its really hard to say about prepping though. But if you are in a marina that's close to most all inlets, you will normally have to leave your dock. Many boatyards sells a hurricane plan for haul out that you pay for your slot in advance.

 

[Sailor of Fortune]

but unless they offer some geographic guidance, that's useless. information because you don't know if they are going to hit Texas or South Carolina....or never make landfall at all.

Even though we get hurricanes in New England they aren't the same as Florida. By the time a storm is this far north it is moving very fast. That storm speed is subtracted from the wind speed for everyone to the west of the track, and since the storms travel up the coast, there aren't many people to the east of the storm track. Plus we don't have the water temperatures to feed the hurricanes. In Florida ( and surrounding areas ) storms can stall just off the coast, grow in intensity and just batter the crap out of an area for an extended period.. The storms can still grow over land due to the everglades and Lake O, and there's no elevation to slow the wind speed in FL.

I'm grew up in Boston and lived there until I was 40 YO. My family had a home in Rockport (Ma) that I was tending to during the Perfect Storm until I got called back to work later in the day to push on barges at dock to hopefully keep them from breaking loose. I also was working during Super storm Sandy in Port Newark, NJ. 90 MPH clocked next to us. We were trying to move a crane barge until roof got peeled of building next to dock,narrowly missing the deck hands. I called off the evolution and we sat holding (pushing)company equipment to the dock all night.
For the next several days we dispensed fuel to the CG (Their dock in MOT was destroyed) and NY /NJ police. The company I work for is a primary responder under contract to the US Navy and we were contracted to pump out flooded tunnels for the next couple of weeks. The Hurricanes that I have seen in Florida (moved here in 2000,still commute to NY as tug captain) haven't been as intense as some of the Noreasters i have been through. I also take any WX event as a potential disaster.

 

[Benthic2]

I'm not saying NE storms don't happen....I'm just saying they don't have the severity of storms in the south.

In the years 1856 - 2008:
85% of landfalling hurricanes hit North Carolina or below
There has never been a Category 4 storm to hit above No Carolina
Only 3 states have had a Cat 5 storm hit ( FL, LA MS )

I live in Beverly and did a lot of diving off of Rockport, and remember the damage of the Perfect Storm well. New England definitely has storms. In addition to hurricanes there are Nor'easters and Blizzards....but our risk from Hurricanes is considerably less than down south. That's the point I was trying to make. I know they happen here and can be severe, and there are examples of them, but the risk is much greater, by orders of magnitude, down south

 

[Sailor of Fortune]

Risk of hurricanes, yes severe storms no. The blizzard of 78 took the front of our house off and was nice enough to move it out back.... I was worried moving to Fl because of all the hurricanes, and still am but a good Noreaster scares me just as much (when I'm at work). the older I get, the less I want to tangle with any weather event, North or south.

 

[HopCar]

Possum has spent her whole life about a half mile up a canal well protected. She has been through several hurricanes, including Andrew, with no damage. She is also well insured.

I'm glad nobody here is advocating for riding out the storm on board. Over on the cruisers forum, mostly sailors, they all talk about staying aboard to take care of the boat. Once in a while they die.

The only person I personally knew who died in a hurricane was killed by flying debris. He was trying to secure something on his boat in the middle of Andrew. He had done a good job of securing the boat as it survived with minor damage. His friend who was with him, stayed in the cabin and survived.

If you haven't done it before the storm, you can't do it during the storm.

 

[CDreamer]

For the OP, the answer is, "it depends on where your boat is". I had a boat in Texas when Hurricane Ike hit in 2008. Low winds (Category 2) but a 16' tidal surge. That created chaos because boats broke loose or floating docks went over their pilings. In parts of the Caribbean, the winds are really high but you can tie up in the Mangroves and be pretty safe. Up river is always good but that takes time and planning and (usually) some help when most people are worrying about their own property. These storms can change landfall suddenly as well, so at 8 knots you need to make an early decision about which way to run, and hope you're right.

 

[knotheadcharters]

They are as bad as the media, I don't believe a word of what they say, haven't in years.

 

[FF]

As my boat is tied to my dock in a hurricane hole area , behind a bunch of locks on the river , I plan to watch the weather from 1300 miles away , on TV,

 

[Bigsfish]

My boats have gone through every hurricane that hit south Florida for the last 40 years just doubling up lines and taking stuff off the bridge, for the last 25 behind a house I purchased for that purpose way up the Miami River (not as up as Parks but close). Never any damage, no insurance claims and just cleaning debris for trees off the boat.

I remember way back in the 1940s my dad would take his boat into Everglades National Park and run it up into a narrow mangrove canal that was as wide as the boat. We tied it off to the mangroves and secured it with a spiderweb of lines and rode out the hurricane living of supplies on the boat. No damage but lots of bugs, leaves and scratches from the mangroves. I can tell when the winds picked up I was scared but dad said it was noting and when the eye passed over it would get calm and we could check the lines. Fun as a kid, I'm not so sure I would like it today . LOL

 

[Bigsfish]

I should add that the media always looks for the worst photos to publish.