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Old 04-18-2019, 02:41 PM   #21
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If you are not working and earning money from your ticket, why renew? If you are working then getting the days should not be an issue. Once I decided to stop working as a Captain I let mine expire at the next renewal. I see no sense in jumping through all those hoops just on the off chance someone will offer me so much money that I cannot refuse (not likely).
Other benefits: Insurance Discount, pick up an occasional delivery for cash, tax benefits, whatever.
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Old 04-18-2019, 02:52 PM   #22
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Local day boating may be qualifying:
I may be wrong, but seem to remember that bigger boats with tonnage is only required for the initial license, whereas smaller, open boats may be enough to qualify for sea-time renewal.
Will dig into it, I probably have a renewal come up soon.

Yes, it definitely counts. It just won't be as many days as I usually rack up when cruising. I should have been clearer what I meant.
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Old 04-18-2019, 02:58 PM   #23
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Other benefits: Insurance Discount, pick up an occasional delivery for cash, tax benefits, whatever.

I've been involved in another conversation elsewhere about license requirements for recreational boaters throughout Europe. More and more countries now require it, so another benefit to maintaining a license. That said, it's unclear whether a domestic USCG license is acceptable vs one with an STCW master endorsement. Other countries have always poo pooed the USCG license because there is no practical test or boat handling skills assessment. As a result, some places wouldn't accept it. Now, with an STCW Masters endorsement, it's accepted world wide.
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Old 04-18-2019, 03:13 PM   #24
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Yeah, the rest of the world wants to see boat handling skills being tested.
The USCG figures, perhaps wrongly, you should be able to handle a boat after 720 days of sea time.
I keep the ticket because I am running a small charter operation, keeps me out of the bars:
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Old 04-18-2019, 07:04 PM   #25
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It helps with insurance but my companies said you can still max out on discounts without a USCG license.


You also don't need a license for deliveries unless the owners insurance wants it.


What tax benefits?
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Cigatoo,

Like you, my experience with the open-book exams were not pleasant ones. I renewed twice that way.

Last time, I renewed by taking an approved renewal course. The particular course I attended was poorly executed, but it was a review of things I might not necessarily read about in my free time. I found it more pleasant than the test by mail, and some productive networking was accomplished during the breaks.

I am coming up on my next renewal, and I intend to find a similar course at a more reputable school.

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Old 04-19-2019, 06:31 AM   #27
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Yes, if you donít have adequate sea time you can take the class and renew. My renewal is coming up but I havenít worked with my license in about a year and donít plan on doing so in the near future. I will file my renewal as ďInactive StatusĒ and basically put my license to sleep. When Iím ready to work in the water again, I will take the course for renewal, get the paperwork in and be active again.
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Old 04-19-2019, 08:36 AM   #28
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I do Charters. Maintenance and insurance, etc are tax deductible.
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Renewal test

I too, had too few hours at my last renewal and had to take the test. The renewal test is "open book", in that you have a few weeks to complete and return. No big deal, and definitely no need to pay a school...
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If you have the sea-time and current physical you should do not need to take the test. I always take the test. The last time it was a two-part, Rules-of-the-Road for sure and I think, Deck General was the other one when I last did it.

Generally a "Sea Day" is defined as four hours or more continuously underway in one calendar day (Midnight to Midnight), no stops for lunch or snorkeling. Two hours before Midnight and two hours after equal zero sea days.
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Local day boating may be qualifying:
I may be wrong, but seem to remember that bigger boats with tonnage is only required for the initial license, whereas smaller, open boats may be enough to qualify for sea-time renewal.
Will dig into it, I probably have a renewal come up soon.
I renewed my 100 ton with only smaller boat hours.
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I've been involved in another conversation elsewhere about license requirements for recreational boaters throughout Europe. More and more countries now require it, so another benefit to maintaining a license. That said, it's unclear whether a domestic USCG license is acceptable vs one with an STCW master endorsement. Other countries have always poo pooed the USCG license because there is no practical test or boat handling skills assessment. As a result, some places wouldn't accept it. Now, with an STCW Masters endorsement, it's accepted world wide.
Outside the US, you must have the STCW endorsement. Otherwise, all you have is a National License.
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National Renewals require:

MMC w/Officer or Qualified Ratings endorsements
 360 days of service during the past 5 years, OR
 Pass a comprehensive, open-book exercise, OR
 Complete an approved refresher training course, OR
 Provide evidence of employment as a qualified instructor or in a position
closely related to the operation, construction, or repair of vessels (either deck or
engineer as appropriate) for at least 3 years during the past 5 years, OR
 Provide evidence of being a qualified instructor who has taught a CG
approved course relevant to the endorsement being applied at least twice within
past 5 years.
a) Deck Officer must pass ROR;
b) Engineers (*See Note 1 below)
c) If mariner is holding a QMED rating that is now combined with another
rating, the mariner can renew as is, or request to take the exam for the additional
rating to be issued the combined rating.

Here is the link:

https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/N...mc5_01_web.pdf

There is actually a provision for deck time for boats that rarely get underway. Something like a 3 to 1 ratio.

STCW requires the original basic training within the last 5 years or a refresher course on all 4 elements or firefighting and personal survival, so some course regardless of seatime.
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I highly recommend Boatwise Marine Training in New England area. Got my 50T master license through them.
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We're in Fort Lauderdale so like half the boating world, we use MPT. Always been very pleased with them.
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