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Old 09-15-2020, 06:33 PM   #9201
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. Immediately dump another $200k at the shipyard..
On what exactly?
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Old 09-15-2020, 06:49 PM   #9202
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Often a similar cute ol' Dorsett for sale in Norcal. Some in good condition, some need to be salvaged - others in between.

That $8K+ price is tall compared to this area.

Can tell you from being on a duplicate Dorsett with a duplicate good running Merc 90 hp in early 1990's - that, it ain't very fast with that much power. There were three of us aboard [600 lbs+/-]. Hard to get on plane and I doubt it did much past 18 knots WOT.
I have an 18’ Winner open OB boat. Should need more power than that 17’ Dorsett with a much flatter bottom. The Winner is quite deep and she has a 60hp Suzuki. Runs about 25 and hasn’t had any problems getting on plane. Maybe the Dorsett w the 600lbs of man on board had water soaked stringers or water between them.
Re my boat I powered it just for Chris and I and a little light on what gear is onboard. Hasn't been in the water since we got back from Alaska.
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Old 09-15-2020, 07:33 PM   #9203
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Seems like a lot of money for a near-50 year old wood boat. But it for $200k. Immediately dump another $200k at the shipyard. Total investment of $400k for something you could immediate turn around and offload for 1/3 that.
It's always cracked me up how the negative consensus explodes when a wooden boat is mentioned on here. Any boat can cost you dearly depending on condition, and even after the most thorough of survey, it's still somewhat of a crap shoot. The boat I referred to, at least to me anyways, has great lines, appears to be in great shape and doesn't seem way out of whack price-wise. Now, I'd only consider a woodie if i had covered moorage, which I do, but unfortunately (or fortunately?) 40' is max length I could squeeze in there. I really like the lines of the older Alaskans and the rare GB's, like the one shown here.
I had a boat house neighbor that had a wood Jones Goodell from the 60's that he owned for nearly 30 years. He did all his own maintenance which consisted mainly of sanding and painting. Some cabin rot here and there, but a helluva lot easier to deal with than a rotten fiberglass core, but all dooable with what I would call above average woodworking skills, but not crazy. He also cruised the hell out of that boat, enough to wear out the old Cat 3208, and replaced it. Never had a sprung plank, no fasteners replaced or any issues with the hull.
During High School I worked for a boat builder that built fishing boats for Bristol Bay and some small crabbers. The carpenters there were top notch and several made extra dough doing repairs on existing wood hulled fishing boats some going on 80+ years old that are still going strong. Here we have Port Townsend that has many accomplished wooden boat carpenters along with the Northwest School of Wooden Boatbuilding. My point is, given the opportunity in this area (PNW), wooden boat ownership may be a more realistic choice, or at least worth considering more so than in other parts of the country.
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Old 09-15-2020, 08:38 PM   #9204
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Plus there are fewer craftsman who can install planks and caulk the seam correctly.

When was the last time you used a hammer and caulking iron and caulking cotton?
My brief experience was about 65 years ago.
Early to mid 1960's.
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Old 09-15-2020, 11:19 PM   #9205
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who what when where

Know who is going to maintain your wooden boat before you buy it. Take their advice on your purchase. Don't buy a wooden boat if you don't already have a wooden boat yard selected. It is not for everyone.

And … same could be said for any boat.


Here is another one in Carolina:


https://www.popyachts.com/antique-bo...arolina-220727
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Seems like a lot of money for a near-50 year old wood boat. But it for $200k. Immediately dump another $200k at the shipyard. Total investment of $400k for something you could immediate turn around and offload for 1/3 that.

look closely at that boat, she doesn't need anywhere near that kind of money.. she looks almost perfect ( I am a recovering ex grand banks wood boat owner) so I do have some history with them. The biggest issue with a GB was the fuel tanks and the window frames.

That is a very rare GB
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look closely at that boat, she doesn't need anywhere near that kind of money.. she looks almost perfect ( I am a recovering ex grand banks wood boat owner) so I do have some history with them. The biggest issue with a GB was the fuel tanks and the window frames.

That is a very rare GB
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When young, in New England - I was often aboard and worked on wood boats; for years in boat yards and on dad's different boats.

Three types of wood boats:

1. Wood boat that is not worth saving
2. Wood boat that can be saved with lots of effort and $$$$
3. Wood boat in good condition that requires love but is a great piece of art

Only #3 is worth owning. So... if you are going to get into owning a wooden boat - you better be able to determine if it's a #1, #2 or #3. And, you better know how to keep it in the #3 category. > > > Or Else...!!!
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It’s amazing to me to hear guys talking about wood boats as if they were ugly monsters about to step on you. It is ignorance (not in a bad way) that drives these thoughts. Plastic boat owners just don’t understand the wood creature. Understanding is lacking.
Whereas wood boats were probably more normal than FG boats ever will be. Much more. Think about it. I think only rare individuals in the fifties ever thought wood boats would ever not be the very widespread norm. After all wood boats had been conceived, designed, built and operated for thousands of years.

Now plastic boat users are saying that they are more worthless than good smelling dog shit.
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Now plastic boat users are saying that they [meaning wooden boats] are more worthless than good smelling dog shit.
Eric - Take two aspirin. Get a good nights sleep. You may feel better in the morning -
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Eric - Take two aspirin. Get a good nights sleep. You may feel better in the morning -
It is called progress.
Wooden hulled boats are beautiful but, their upkeep is more than I want to experience.
May I point out, many of the UK steel hulled canal boats are over 100 years old. I cant seem to find a wooden hull canal boat. SHRUG
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It is called progress.
Wooden hulled boats are beautiful but, their upkeep is more than I want to experience.
May I point out, many of the UK steel hulled canal boats are over 100 years old. I cant seem to find a wooden hull canal boat. SHRUG
I'm assuming that most canals are fresh water and not salt? That may be part of the reason.
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It is called progress.
Wooden hulled boats are beautiful but, their upkeep is more than I want to experience.
May I point out, many of the UK steel hulled canal boats are over 100 years old. I cant seem to find a wooden hull canal boat. SHRUG
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Know who is going to maintain your wooden boat before you buy it. Take their advice on your purchase. Don't buy a wooden boat if you don't already have a wooden boat yard selected. It is not for everyone.

And Ö same could be said for any boat.


Here is another one in Carolina:


https://www.popyachts.com/antique-bo...arolina-220727
Now there's a good example of a woodie that I wouldn't take for free
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I wanted to promote some thinking about where we are in time.

Sadly (so far) I haven’t seen much. Practically none. You all just knee jerked a slavo of old anti wood boat attack talk. You guys talk like you think I’m try’in to sell you something. You’re in a mindset of only new things have merit and all else is “old school” .. not worth talking about or even thinking about.

As I said in another post I have four outboards under 10hp and am happy w them halving no interest in doing any “up grading”. Re up-grading I’m as high as I can go. Sometimes or most of the time newer things like a chart plotter is better. My 13yr old CP does fine. Would I want a new one? Sure .. but it’s not worth buying or perhaps even spending the time to install it.

But in the real time FG boats may only be around 1/1000th as long as wood boats. Only to be replaced by something else. Would I buy an old wood boat w repairs needed that I don’t have the skills for ..no. But that’s no reason not to perceive them as they are and as they were .. if I can. They are what they are.

And Dan no is not progress. Works better is progress. But for some to be seen only w modern stuff is actually “works better” then it is better. Some or many have that need. Trouble w style is it goes out of style ..... fast.
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Now there's a good example of a woodie that I wouldn't take for free
Interestingly... some 7 years ago.

I saw a 42' GB woodie for very reasonable price on CL. When I went to see it I learned it had been dad's joy and was then "basically" part of an estate sale. Son was simply trying to sell it for cash so he could distribute the funds to siblings.

After spending hour plus aboard, with him, I had to tell him I could not take on this project.

Few weeks later he called me and said he knew I could restore his dad's boat and he would sell it to me for "next to nothing"; which equaled $5K in his mind. I thanked him but said no thank you. Week or so after that he called and said he'd give it to me. I again said no thanks.

Move ahead a month. Fellow calls me and says he purchased a 42' GB and the owner had told him that I was good with wood boat restoration... gave him my Ph. #.

I counselled him for some 15 minutes on the phone; he was young, knew nothing about an old wood boat with considerable rot, seeping fuel tanks, likely spent diesels and still having orig hull fastenings. He called again a few days later. I told him I have not time to get into his project. Never again herd from him or anything about that GB.

Thus I revert readers back to my post #9207

PS: I love the simplicity of owning fiberglass boats that can stay under cover during non use!
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I'm assuming that most canals are fresh water and not salt? That may be part of the reason.
So where are the wooden canal boats?
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Dan the wooden boat canals are/were probably in Ohio or there-abouts. Only had wood then and steel was not an option. Had it been the Ohio boats would probably be steel.

Art wrote;
“I love the simplicity of owning fiberglass boats that can stay under cover during non use!”

I also. But some day another boat building material will come along that won’t even need to be covered. Then FG boats won’t be so _____ .. you fill in the blank.
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So where are the wooden canal boats?
Here's some:

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Yup, 6 is better than zero. They are maintained by the charity.

I suspect there are far more steel canal boats in the UK.
I suspect they are easier to repair, just weld a patch over the soft spot.
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Yup, 6 is better than zero. They are maintained by the charity.

I suspect there are far more steel canal boats in the UK.
I suspect they are easier to repair, just weld a patch over the soft spot.
As has been mentioned, canals are fresh water so not as bad on steel as saltwater.

Conversely, freshwater is a killer of timber whereas saltwater is its friend.
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Itís amazing to me to hear guys talking about wood boats as if they were ugly monsters about to step on you. It is ignorance (not in a bad way) that drives these thoughts. Plastic boat owners just donít understand the wood creature. Understanding is lacking.
Whereas wood boats were probably more normal than FG boats ever will be. Much more. Think about it. I think only rare individuals in the fifties ever thought wood boats would ever not be the very widespread norm. After all wood boats had been conceived, designed, built and operated for thousands of years.

Now plastic boat users are saying that they are more worthless than good smelling dog shit.
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