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I get a kick out of used-boat prices.

Having bought and sold a enough boats during my decades, as well as nearly always kept my eyes and ears wide open for available boats, it seems to me [that too often]:

1. The owner can be unrealistic in price asked.
2. Buyer can be unrealistic in payment offered.

Result is too often a boat that sits not correctly unattended for some duration. Until owner drops price to reasonable level... which could have been accomplished in the first place! LOL
 
"If you have to ask, you can't afford it."
--J.P. Morgan

Affording it is not why I asked. More curiosity about what some boats might be worth today. This one is lower than I expected, but apparently some shady history so as usual, the reality is far different than the advertisement. Speaking of which, a lot of people complain about used boat pricing today and the rude brokers, but almost nobody complains about the advertising. Even the worst of boats are propped up by some good advertising, and anything that is even close to average is a "rare find", "turn key", much loved vessel with tons of special recent upgrades. Does nobody care about truth in advertising or do we just all accept the lies?
 
I get a kick out of used-boat prices.

Having bought and sold a enough boats during my decades, as well as nearly always kept my eyes and ears wide open for available boats, it seems to me [that too often]:

1. The owner can be unrealistic in price asked.
2. Buyer can be unrealistic in payment offered.

Result is too often a boat that sits not correctly unattended for some duration. Until owner drops price to reasonable level... which could have been accomplished in the first place! LOL

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Art, you are absolutely right!

Boats seem to bring out emotions more intense than I've seen with other 'things' like houses or cars (though real estate might be a close second). So many people (sometimes myself included) take it personally, what their boat (or house) is 'worth.' Somehow it's taken as a personal affront if someone else doesn't also see things our way as to what our boat is 'worth,' as if it's a judgement on our personal value.

But it's not. A boat is a thing, like any other thing. It's worth what someone else is willing to pay for it. But so often I hear sellers talking about waiting for the 'right buyer' who will value it as highly as they do (which usually means, someone with more money than common sense).

There's a fixed carrying cost to having a boat, even if an owner scrimps on maintenance. Dockage, storage, even minimal care, all have a cost, and must be paid while a boat sits for sale. Getting too caught up in the selling 'price' and losing sight of other things usually doesn't make financial sense. Spending $50k to hold on to a boat for a couple of years to get $25k more (or more often, less) on the selling price, you can't make that up in volume.

Several years ago we bid on a house. The seller was very emotional, was deeply insulted and vehemently rejected our offer. We followed the house, and know between mortgage, insurance, and doing repairs he spent at least $250k over two years - and ultimately sold the house for exactly what we had offered two years before. He would have been $250k ahead (as well as 2 years fewer headaches) if he had simply accepted our offer.

I've seen the same happen with boats, many times. Many years ago I was interested in a boat, listed at $399k. I thought it was high and offered $325k. The broker was indignant and deeply offended, retorted that $350k wouldn't buy the boat but maybe $375 'might' get it. I don't even know if my offer was presented. I passed. I watched that boat stay on the market for six (6) years. The price kept getting lowered every year. It was last listed for $249k, and finally sold for $225k. Yes, the owners had 6 years of use of it. But from a purely financial perspective, spending 6 years of dockage, maintenance, storage, insurance, etc. and then selling it for $100k less than I offered didn't put them ahead.
 
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Love this boat but going to pass:

60’ without swim platform. Steel. Cummins 855. 3500 gallons fuel. Sorry, can’t post a photo but they are in the ad.

https://portland.craigslist.org/nco/boa/d/warrenton-60-steel-trawler-long-range/7533807444.html

For when the ad disappears which they do with CL. Looks stout!

(503) 735-4855

Steel Trawler with 2 1/2 staterooms, 2 heads, tons of deck space, tender crane. Currently lying in OR at Port of Astoria getting some hull repairs (just completed recent hull survey/ Ultra-sound test). 3500 gallon fuel capacity, Cummins 855 Big Cam (rock solid engine), 2 gen sets. Hull built 1974 (ex commercial fishing), custom house built 2006. Please call (I don't text).
 

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Saw this boat in Pittsford on the Erie canal and talked to the owner for a while about it. This is an old Gulfstar sailboat that he converted into a pilothouse trawler. You can still see the Chain plates in some of the pictures.

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I would have done a few things differently, but I give a tip of the hat to all the work he put into it.

Ted

Great canal cruiser, if nothing was done to compensate for the inertia change made by removing the mast, it could be unpleasant motion in a seaway. Any sailor who survived a dismasting will attest to the nerve racking phenomenon. It may be counterintuitive but removing ballast helps.
 
Interesting. Can you explain further?

I should have said moment of inertia, which increase with distance from the center of rotation and mass.

Simply put, a ball requires less effort to spin than a baseball bat of the same mass. The large moment of inertia that the mast contributes to a sailboat greatly dampens the rate of roll, this slow rolling without sails up can be uncomfortable but the quick roll experienced without a mast is actually worse in many sea states.

The ballast is working to right the boat and without the mast to slow the righting action, it snaps back in a miserable fashion.
 
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Very few pics for such a big boat, especially the inside. Ex commercial fishing boat, I suspect it may not be too pretty.
 
Very few pics for such a big boat, especially the inside. Ex commercial fishing boat, I suspect it may not be too pretty.

That was my thought as well! That's a pretty strong asking price - should be able to produce a good set of pics to justify it.

Also not sure what 2.5 staterooms means. What's a 1/2 stateroom?
 
That was my thought as well! That's a pretty strong asking price - should be able to produce a good set of pics to justify it.

Also not sure what 2.5 staterooms means. What's a 1/2 stateroom?

Maybe 1 room that gets shared by 2 shifts of fishermen? lol

Seriously though maybe just a single twin bunk somewhere that doesn't really qualify as a stateroom?
 
That was my thought as well! That's a pretty strong asking price - should be able to produce a good set of pics to justify it.

Also not sure what 2.5 staterooms means. What's a 1/2 stateroom?


I have seen a Pullman style bunk with space fore and aft of the bunk with a hanging locker, built into a hallway -- a curtain could be drawn for privacy -- that was described as 1/2 a stateroom.
 
What's with the dumb little prop on that thing?
 

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a few more...
 

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What's with the dumb little prop on that thing?
I thought the same
Ours looks near twice the size on a 60fter, same engine
 

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It is either for adding a bit of class to the ER or to sop up the spilled oil and diesel. :angel:

Well....I have heard the engine room referred to as the holy place, so maybe it's a Prayer Rug?:angel:

Sure looks clean as a church down there...
 
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