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10-12-2018, 04:56 PM
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Senior Member
City: Solomons MD.
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Sun Runner
Vessel Model: 1985 Mainship 34 Trawler MK III
Join Date: Mar 2018
Posts: 278
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Absolutely no experience offshore. But if I wanted a go anywhere, anytime, anyplace type of boat I'd look at what commercial fishermen use and convert it to liveaboard...
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10-12-2018, 05:30 PM
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Country: usa
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,166
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
Dont forget to look at the American Tug.
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American Tug and any fiberglass boats would be out of the running for me based on his newly revealed Arctic travel criteria. List shortens to steel hulls,DD's or custom builds. Lots available in his price range.
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Jack ...Chicken of the sea! 1600 ton Master of towing/Oceans. 1600 ton Master/Oceans.
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10-12-2018, 05:47 PM
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Enigma
City: Slicker?
Country: Bumpkin?
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 14,452
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https://www.shipsforsale.com/en/ship..._3_ulla-rinman
Conversion to $US is aprox. $470K. Should be able to fulfill ALL your desires including the one's you haven't told us about yet...
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10-12-2018, 05:56 PM
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Guru
City: St Augustine,Fl
Country: usa
Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 3,166
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RT has the boat for you.... A handful for the single hander but suitable for the mission.
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Jack ...Chicken of the sea! 1600 ton Master of towing/Oceans. 1600 ton Master/Oceans.
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10-12-2018, 06:04 PM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 8,649
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
Dont forget to look at the American Tug.
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The AT are great boats, but still coastal cruisers in my mind.
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10-12-2018, 06:39 PM
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Guru
City: Boston Area
Country: United States
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 1,658
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Interesting factoid:
There are only 2 40 foot boats that have a CE A certification. The Nordhavn 40 and the MJM 40z. ( of course that came from MJM's website....Beneteau says their 35 foot sailboats are A rated )
I didn't realize the "significant wave height" is not the "maximum wave height", it is merely the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves, so a boat must be able to endure even larger than what's listed in the definitions below
Category A — Ocean. Category A covers largely self-sufficient boats designed for extended voyages with winds of over Beaufort Force 8 (over 40 knots), and significant wave heights above 13 feet, but excluding abnormal conditions such as hurricanes.
Category B — Offshore. Category B includes boats operating offshore with winds up to 40 knots, Beaufort Force 8, and significant seas up to 13 feet.
Category C — Inshore. Category C is for boats operating in coastal waters and large bays and lakes with winds to Force 6, up to 27 knots, and significant seas 7 feet high.
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10-12-2018, 07:09 PM
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Guru
City: Victoria TX
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Bijou
Vessel Model: 2008 Island Packet PY/SP
Join Date: Nov 2012
Posts: 4,711
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I give you criteria, you select the Boat!
My boat is CE rated Category A, and I sure wouldn’t want to be in seas over 13’ and over 40 knots of wind. 
Before I added the mast it was supposedly “self righting”, but I have a feeling the large windows would be blown out before a wave flipped the boat. And if it flipped, what happens to the passengers? Ridiculous.
So, I just don’t know about those CE ratings.
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10-12-2018, 09:19 PM
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TF Site Team
City: California Delta
Country: California Delta
Vessel Name: FlyWright
Vessel Model: Marshall Californian 34 LRC
Join Date: Apr 2008
Posts: 12,980
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Originally Posted by Pieyed47
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Ahem...  ...this is Trawler Forum.
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10-12-2018, 09:34 PM
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Guru
City: Maryland
Country: USA
Join Date: Mar 2017
Posts: 550
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pieyed47
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Nonsuch remains one of my favorite boats, as I love the cat rigging. Not a fan, however, of the cored fiberglass hulls found on the 36, 33, and 30.
Jim
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10-12-2018, 09:49 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 5,859
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This going to be your boat.
No one boat will satisfy all your needs, wants and desires.
Find the boat that fulfills most of your IMPORTANT requirements, buy it and dont look back.
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10-12-2018, 10:34 PM
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Member
City: Michigan
Country: United States
Vessel Name: TBD
Vessel Model: Willard 36 aft PH or Legacy MKii
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 23
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What level do i choose?
Based on the advice received, seems like Seahorse Marine is top of the list. However, there seems to be 4 levels of lrc trawlers at Seahorse: super diesel duck, diesel duck, coot and the new puffin. All but the super can be had in 38ft, the coot and puffin can be had in 35ft. The basic boat (hull, engine etc) seems to be almost identical, difference seems to be "trim level" so to speak. The only major difference seems to be the electronics pkg (all Seahorse's comes with a complete electronics pkg included in.the base price). Is this correct?
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10-13-2018, 09:36 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Compton
Country: United States
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pieyed47
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These boats cross oceans. Sometimes it's hard to think outside of the BOX. I would recommend you take a long hard look at what you really want to do with a boat and not get fixated on snoot values. When you very far offshore and things get bad there is no pulling over and waiting out the storm. It's all up to you to ride it out, Try heaving to with a Trawler and see how well you fair in heavy breaking seas, WITH 40k wind and 50k guests. Have you ever been in that situation? If not you better look long and hard at what you can single hand after being up for hours and hours fighting a storm, relying upon A boat with hydraulic steering. Think about it. If you are far enough offshore chances are now one will come to your aid, especially in the extreme latitudes. I am just saying.
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10-13-2018, 09:47 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Texas
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Miss Adventure
Vessel Model: DeFever 49 CMY
Join Date: Jan 2014
Posts: 56
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Pieyed47
These boats cross oceans. Sometimes it's hard to think outside of the BOX. I would recommend you take a long hard look at what you really want to do with a boat and not get fixated on snoot values. When you very far offshore and things get bad there is no pulling over and waiting out the storm. It's all up to you to ride it out, Try heaving to with a Trawler and see how well you fair in heavy breaking seas, WITH 40k wind and 50k guests. Have you ever been in that situation? If not you better look long and hard at what you can single hand after being up for hours and hours fighting a storm, relying upon A boat with hydraulic steering. Think about it. If you are far enough offshore chances are now one will come to your aid, especially in the extreme latitudes. I am just saying.
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From a long time power boater with limited sailing experience; Can you heave to in a single sail rig like the Nonsuch?
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And remember; You can never have too much money or too many boats, you'll just never have both...
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10-13-2018, 10:22 AM
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Guru
City: Gig Harbor
Country: United States
Vessel Name: Kinship
Vessel Model: North Pacific 43
Join Date: May 2015
Posts: 8,649
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boatfever
From a long time power boater with limited sailing experience; Can you heave to in a single sail rig like the Nonsuch?
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Nope.
The Non-such are really nice boats. As a sailor and a traditionalist, I always was a little suspicious of the single sail design, however their performance is quite good as long as you don’t need to beat to windward.
For ocean crossings I’d pick a sailboat or motorsaillor over a blue water trawler. However, I think it best to pick the boat that is ideal for what the boat will be used for 80% of the time. So unless you plan on crossing oceans a lot, go with a boat that will work best for what you will be doing most of the time.
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10-13-2018, 10:33 AM
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Veteran Member
City: Compton
Country: United States
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 90
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Boatfever
From a long time power boater with limited sailing experience; Can you heave to in a single sail rig like the Nonsuch?
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You would want to figure this out before you head offshore. It's doable with a storm trysail and the helm hard over. There is a good chance you will need drogue to help slow you down. and you would be on a learning curve, every boat is different. I would only heave to if I was too exhausted to continue. My strategy would be a storm trysail, drogue off the stern(warps) and keep trying to sail.
Storm Trysail — UK Sailmakers
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10-13-2018, 04:30 PM
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Member
City: Michigan
Country: United States
Vessel Name: TBD
Vessel Model: Willard 36 aft PH or Legacy MKii
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 23
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To all posters here, Thanks for all the input! You have given me a lot to think about. I wish to offer a public apology to Richard (Wxx3), sorry I was such a chowder head! Am sending off an inquiry to the owners of the diesel duck clan for info on the different classes of ducks. Let you all know when I get more info!
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10-13-2018, 07:38 PM
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Guru
City: Aventura FL
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116
Join Date: Oct 2017
Posts: 5,859
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Does not matter what boat you buy, you will alway here, "You should have..."
Buy what meets most of your requirements and do look back.
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10-13-2018, 07:55 PM
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Master and Commander
City: Vallejo CA
Country: USA
Vessel Name: Carquinez Coot
Vessel Model: penultimate Seahorse Marine Coot hull #6
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 11,977
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Don't think large saloon windows are a good idea for a heavy-weather boat. Dogged doors would be a positive.
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