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Old 10-12-2018, 04:56 PM   #61
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Absolutely no experience offshore. But if I wanted a go anywhere, anytime, anyplace type of boat I'd look at what commercial fishermen use and convert it to liveaboard...
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Old 10-12-2018, 05:30 PM   #62
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Dont forget to look at the American Tug.
American Tug and any fiberglass boats would be out of the running for me based on his newly revealed Arctic travel criteria. List shortens to steel hulls,DD's or custom builds. Lots available in his price range.
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Conversion to $US is aprox. $470K. Should be able to fulfill ALL your desires including the one's you haven't told us about yet...
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RT has the boat for you.... A handful for the single hander but suitable for the mission.
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:04 PM   #65
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Dont forget to look at the American Tug.

The AT are great boats, but still coastal cruisers in my mind.
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:39 PM   #66
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Interesting factoid:

There are only 2 40 foot boats that have a CE A certification. The Nordhavn 40 and the MJM 40z. ( of course that came from MJM's website....Beneteau says their 35 foot sailboats are A rated )


I didn't realize the "significant wave height" is not the "maximum wave height", it is merely the average of the highest 1/3 of the waves, so a boat must be able to endure even larger than what's listed in the definitions below

Category A — Ocean. Category A covers largely self-sufficient boats designed for extended voyages with winds of over Beaufort Force 8 (over 40 knots), and significant wave heights above 13 feet, but excluding abnormal conditions such as hurricanes.

Category B — Offshore. Category B includes boats operating offshore with winds up to 40 knots, Beaufort Force 8, and significant seas up to 13 feet.

Category C — Inshore. Category C is for boats operating in coastal waters and large bays and lakes with winds to Force 6, up to 27 knots, and significant seas 7 feet high.
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Old 10-12-2018, 06:45 PM   #67
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Perfect vessel for you, the Astra.

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Absolutely no experience offshore. But if I wanted a go anywhere, anytime, anyplace type of boat I'd look at what commercial fishermen use and convert it to liveaboard...

I found this and it´s my dream vessel for going anywhere.

https://www.shipsforsale.com/en/ship...essels_3_astra


I read about her in PassageMaker:
https://www.passagemaker.com/cruiser...sletter-030118
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You might want to think out of the box a bit and look at this.

https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/...g#.W8Ewa7xKhxA
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I give you criteria, you select the Boat!

My boat is CE rated Category A, and I sure wouldn’t want to be in seas over 13’ and over 40 knots of wind.

Before I added the mast it was supposedly “self righting”, but I have a feeling the large windows would be blown out before a wave flipped the boat. And if it flipped, what happens to the passengers? Ridiculous.

So, I just don’t know about those CE ratings.
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You might want to think out of the box a bit and look at this.

https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/...g#.W8Ewa7xKhxA
Ahem......this is Trawler Forum.
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Old 10-12-2018, 09:34 PM   #71
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You might want to think out of the box a bit and look at this.

https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/...g#.W8Ewa7xKhxA
Nonsuch remains one of my favorite boats, as I love the cat rigging. Not a fan, however, of the cored fiberglass hulls found on the 36, 33, and 30.

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Old 10-12-2018, 09:49 PM   #72
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This going to be your boat.
No one boat will satisfy all your needs, wants and desires.
Find the boat that fulfills most of your IMPORTANT requirements, buy it and dont look back.
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Old 10-12-2018, 10:34 PM   #73
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What level do i choose?

Based on the advice received, seems like Seahorse Marine is top of the list. However, there seems to be 4 levels of lrc trawlers at Seahorse: super diesel duck, diesel duck, coot and the new puffin. All but the super can be had in 38ft, the coot and puffin can be had in 35ft. The basic boat (hull, engine etc) seems to be almost identical, difference seems to be "trim level" so to speak. The only major difference seems to be the electronics pkg (all Seahorse's comes with a complete electronics pkg included in.the base price). Is this correct?
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:36 AM   #74
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You might want to think out of the box a bit and look at this.

https://www.boats.com/sailing-boats/...g#.W8Ewa7xKhxA
These boats cross oceans. Sometimes it's hard to think outside of the BOX. I would recommend you take a long hard look at what you really want to do with a boat and not get fixated on snoot values. When you very far offshore and things get bad there is no pulling over and waiting out the storm. It's all up to you to ride it out, Try heaving to with a Trawler and see how well you fair in heavy breaking seas, WITH 40k wind and 50k guests. Have you ever been in that situation? If not you better look long and hard at what you can single hand after being up for hours and hours fighting a storm, relying upon A boat with hydraulic steering. Think about it. If you are far enough offshore chances are now one will come to your aid, especially in the extreme latitudes. I am just saying.
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Old 10-13-2018, 09:47 AM   #75
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These boats cross oceans. Sometimes it's hard to think outside of the BOX. I would recommend you take a long hard look at what you really want to do with a boat and not get fixated on snoot values. When you very far offshore and things get bad there is no pulling over and waiting out the storm. It's all up to you to ride it out, Try heaving to with a Trawler and see how well you fair in heavy breaking seas, WITH 40k wind and 50k guests. Have you ever been in that situation? If not you better look long and hard at what you can single hand after being up for hours and hours fighting a storm, relying upon A boat with hydraulic steering. Think about it. If you are far enough offshore chances are now one will come to your aid, especially in the extreme latitudes. I am just saying.
From a long time power boater with limited sailing experience; Can you heave to in a single sail rig like the Nonsuch?
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From a long time power boater with limited sailing experience; Can you heave to in a single sail rig like the Nonsuch?

Nope.

The Non-such are really nice boats. As a sailor and a traditionalist, I always was a little suspicious of the single sail design, however their performance is quite good as long as you don’t need to beat to windward.

For ocean crossings I’d pick a sailboat or motorsaillor over a blue water trawler. However, I think it best to pick the boat that is ideal for what the boat will be used for 80% of the time. So unless you plan on crossing oceans a lot, go with a boat that will work best for what you will be doing most of the time.
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From a long time power boater with limited sailing experience; Can you heave to in a single sail rig like the Nonsuch?
You would want to figure this out before you head offshore. It's doable with a storm trysail and the helm hard over. There is a good chance you will need drogue to help slow you down. and you would be on a learning curve, every boat is different. I would only heave to if I was too exhausted to continue. My strategy would be a storm trysail, drogue off the stern(warps) and keep trying to sail.

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To all posters here, Thanks for all the input! You have given me a lot to think about. I wish to offer a public apology to Richard (Wxx3), sorry I was such a chowder head! Am sending off an inquiry to the owners of the diesel duck clan for info on the different classes of ducks. Let you all know when I get more info!
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Does not matter what boat you buy, you will alway here, "You should have..."
Buy what meets most of your requirements and do look back.
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