Hurricane Ian was Tropical Storm Ian was Tropical Depression 09

[Adopo]

Pretty sure this is the Lazzara

https://www.yachtworld.com/yacht/1995-lazzara-76-grand-salon-8355835/

 

[Adopo]

a few screen shots from the video. I had no idea they had such a shrimp/fishing industry there....

 

[Adopo]

a few more

 

[Comodave]

How disheartening. You have to feel for all that lost a beloved boat. Hopefully that is all they lost.

 

[OldDan1943]

How disheartening. You have to feel for all that lost a beloved boat. Hopefully that is all they lost.

Did the TV and radio forget to warn them about the hurricane ?

 

[rslifkin]

Ben Stein of Panbo lost a Carver 570 in that mess, it looks like: https://panbo.com/ben-stein-family-...GcddqT2lEhaBrYa7qoLagrZ6hQArtDQb02nrWY-x09ocA

 

[Group9]

Did the TV and radio forget to warn them about the hurricane ?

Maybe they just haven’t had a direct hit In so long they that didn’t remember how bad it could be. I’m really surprised at the shrimp boats. Most of the ones down here don’t even have insurance, and they are the first ones to leave the marinas and start heading upriver at the first sign of bad tropical weather.

That area is one of our favorite boating areas, especially when we lived in Pembroke Pines, (we spent a month on a mooring at Fort Myers Beach a few years ago), and lots of nights at Salty Sam’s, but no way would I have ever thought about riding a Cat 4 hurricane out there, especially in one of those marinas.

I’d of been high tailing it back across the Okeechobee waterway.

 

[OldDan1943]

Ben Stein of Panbo lost a Carver 570 in that mess, it looks like: https://panbo.com/ben-stein-family-...GcddqT2lEhaBrYa7qoLagrZ6hQArtDQb02nrWY-x09ocA

Meanwhile, the insurance companies have an army of attorneys searching all the issued policies, searching for a loophole, hoping to avoid paying any and all claims.
Now that frosts my cheeks.

 

[rslifkin]

Meanwhile, the insurance companies have an army of attorneys searching all the issued policies, searching for a loophole, hoping to avoid paying any and all claims.
Now that frosts my cheeks.

And then they'll probably raise rates by another big chunk for those of us nowhere near hurricane areas.

 

[Group9]

And then they'll probably raise rates by another big chunk for those of us nowhere near hurricane areas.

And, for those of us who do live in hurricane prone areas, who do properly prepare our boats. It’s not that hard. We went to Hawaii for two weeks this summer, and we put our boat in it’s hurricane hole with a friend watching it, so it would be okay if one hit while we were gone.

I don’t doubt there are a couple of owners with legitimate excuses for not having prepared their boat for this Cat 4 hurricane with a weeks notice it was coming, but I think most of them just say, “That’s what I have insurance for.” And, don’t care.

 

[OldDan1943]

And then they'll probably raise rates by another big chunk for those of us nowhere near hurricane areas.

And leave the State of Florida

They have never heard of 're-insurance'.

 

[Knot Fast]

Oh wow I wonder if the is the Great Harbor that is for sale on TF.

Nope. That's another Great Harbour.
Knot Fast is for sale in the TF Classifieds
She's in St Petersburg and was undamaged!
Took 2 days of prep, a web of 18 lines set 3 times as conditions changed.
And a whole mess of luck.
We saw a 6' drop below MLW. Wind 55 kts sustained, lots of gusts to 90.
I already wrote the manufacturer and thanked them for the great cleat bedding.

 

[kthoennes]

I know there are hundreds (thousands?) of Ft Myers storm videos out there, but to those of us on this forum, here's one of particular interest. Just the first few seconds. Bow to the wind, running against it. Wonder if he saved the boat.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...uborigin=feed&player_format=permalink&paipv=0

 

[Nick14]

Meanwhile, the insurance companies have an army of attorneys searching all the issued policies, searching for a loophole, hoping to avoid paying any and all claims.
Now that frosts my cheeks.

They have to do that. In this great country of ours, it's been codified into law and by court decisions that the highest priority of a shareholder owned company is to maximize shareholder value. Meaning, make every last penny you possibly can. By any means possible, and never leave a single dollar on the table - because if you do, a shareholder will sue you claiming breach of fiduciary responsibility because you didn't maximize shareholder value.

(There are also armies of lawyers out there, in law firms looking for this kind of business, to sue companies, because it's ridiculously easy to claim a company didn't make as much money as they possibly could and no matter how much they made, they could have made more. You can actually buy shares in the stock of such law firms, with payouts based on how much they collect from companies.)

Insurance companies aren't in business to pay out claims. They don't exist for the best interests of those they insure. They exist for the best interests of their shareholders, to whom they are obligated. Which means, at times like this, doing exactly what you said - look for reasons to not pay claims, not to pay them. The fewer claims they pay out, the more money they make for their shareholders, thus fulfilling their obligation to maximize shareholder value (and, purely coincidentally, also maximizing executive bonuses that are based on net profits).

It's a great system for companies and their shareholders, but can suck if you're an insured needing coverage for a catastrophe.

Bottom line, you're insured only as long as you don't need it or actually use it.

 

[High Wire]

I know there are hundreds (thousands?) of Ft Meyers storm videos out there, but to those of us on this forum, here's one of particular interest. Just the first few seconds. Bow to the wind, running against it. Wonder if he saved the boat.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...uborigin=feed&player_format=permalink&paipv=0

Would love to hear the story of that one too.

 

[OldDan1943]

Bottom line, you're insured only as long as you don't need it or actually use it.

Nick, your last sentence says it all.

 

[DCDC]

We have cruised through the Okeechobee waterway many times and always speculated about it’s usefulness as a storm refuge. Most of it is like a canal with few places to anchor. If one managed to move a boat past a lock maybe you could anchor mid channel and tie off to the sides. It would take a lot of lines and would impede navigation but once the locks close traffic should stop. Probably have to stay on the boat to adjust lines and allow for any boat traffic. Impractical? Violate regulations?

It appears that storm surge overtopped Franklin dam. Below are Franklin and Ortona gauges showing headwater and tailwater levels. Franklin tail and head rose from 2-4’ and equalized around 9’, while Ortona tailwater rose from 3’ to around 10’.

Can anybody confirm this and comment on any high water effects?

 

[Blissboat]

Insurance companies aren't in business to pay out claims . . . Bottom line, you're insured only as long as you don't need it or actually use it.

Unfortunately but exactly true. With all due respect to my friends in the industry, insurance companies do not exist to pay claims - they exist to collect premiums and invest the money for a profitable return. That's not to say that there are no heartwarming stories of people whose insurance made all the difference between a livable future and a financial wipeout. I know of several examples, and they are good arguments for buying insurance, even if you don't absolutely have to. Most folks have to buy insurance though, because relatively few can self-insure against every risk. If you owe money to a bank or other institution, try talking your way out of the insurance requirement.

Some time ago I switched to a new family doctor, and asked her which health insurance company would be the best to comport with her practice. "Oh, they're all good," she said. "Until you need them."

 

[O C Diver]

We have cruised through the Okeechobee waterway many times and always speculated about it’s usefulness as a storm refuge. Most of it is like a canal with few places to anchor. If one managed to move a boat past a lock maybe you could anchor mid channel and tie off to the sides. It would take a lot of lines and would impede navigation but once the locks close traffic should stop. Probably have to stay on the boat to adjust lines and allow for any boat traffic. Impractical? Violate regulations?

It appears that storm surge overtopped Franklin dam. Below are Franklin and Ortona gauges showing headwater and tailwater levels. Franklin tail and head rose from 2-4’ and equalized around 9’, while Ortona tailwater rose from 3’ to around 10’.

Can anybody confirm this and comment on any high water effects?

While I would expect both sides to rise, it's hard to know whether it's storm surge or rain water. If you look at the flow rates, I would assume the calculations are based on spillway gate settings against water elevation. The other consideration is that if the storm surge topped the lock in waves, was there any meaningful increase in water height a mile up stream from the lock. Water levels seemed to have dropped to near normal fairly quickly indicating the waterway between Ortona a Franklin didn't rise substantially (it would take quite a while to lower that section one foot). It would be interesting to know how they measure down stream water level and whether the waves and wind had any effect on the sensors.

Ted

 

[Bacchus]

Has anyone seen reports or video of Burnt Store Marina?
We have friends that store their boat there and wondering how they faired.

 

[Adopo]

I know there are hundreds (thousands?) of Ft Myers storm videos out there, but to those of us on this forum, here's one of particular interest. Just the first few seconds. Bow to the wind, running against it. Wonder if he saved the boat.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?st...uborigin=feed&player_format=permalink&paipv=0

That there is one hell of a captain lol. And if you look at the comments they are spot on. There is a picture of a boat that looks like it could be that boat blocking a road after the storm.

 

[psneeld]

Not sure if " one hell of a captain" would actually do that.

More like an owner riding out the storm and panicking. Only reason I would be moving at that point would be someone called and had some sort of guaranteed safe refuge, not likely though.

 

[kthoennes]

One broadside turn to the wind and you're in serious trouble.

 

[Larry M]

Has anyone seen reports or video of Burnt Store Marina?
We have friends that store their boat there and wondering how they faired.

Don: Check out the Burnt Store Marina Facebook page. There are a lot of photos from Ian it looks like.

 

[twistedtree]

One broadside turn to the wind and you're in serious trouble.

I think it’s a fake. Notice how the boat isn’t pitching at all, despite significant chop in the water.

 

[psneeld]

Isnt it more beam to?

 

[wkearney99]

I think it’s a fake. Notice how the boat isn’t pitching at all, despite significant chop in the water.

Hard to tell with that potato resolution video clip. You can see a wake coming off it and the swells don't look that lumpy yet.

 

[Bacchus]

I think it’s a fake. Notice how the boat isn’t pitching at all, despite significant chop in the water.

Hard to tell with that potato resolution video clip. You can see a wake coming off it and the swells don't look that lumpy yet.

I was on the fake side at first but after reviewing it does look like spray coming off the bow a few times???