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Old 03-24-2020, 06:51 PM   #1
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ABYC Cite PLEASE?

Does someone have access to ABYC recommendations please post or PM me the cite for the below?

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The 110-volt system lacks an intermediate main circuit breaker between the shore power inlet and the circuit
breaker panel main breaker. A 50 amp circuit breaker with runs of over ten feet between the panel and shore
power inlet should be installed.
Recommendation: Install a 50 amp double pole for both lines near the aft of the salon bulk head.
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Old 03-24-2020, 07:45 PM   #2
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Yikes, that's a new one. Our boat has a shore power plug on the bow and the stern, both with a breaker right next to them. But it's a long way from there to the breaker on the main electrical panel. Way more than 10 feet.
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Yikes, that's a new one. Our boat has a shore power plug on the bow and the stern, both with a breaker right next to them. But it's a long way from there to the breaker on the main electrical panel. Way more than 10 feet.

The breaker right next to the plug meets the requirement. The idea is that dockside breakers shouldn't be trusted (and people do dumb stuff like using adapters to hook 30A cords and boats to a 50A dock plug where the breaker can't protect stuff). So while it doesn't help the cord, having a breaker close to the inlet minimizes the potentially unprotected run inside the boat.
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11.10.2.8.3 Additional Overcurrent Protection - If the location of the main shore power disconnect
circuit breaker is in excess of 10 feet (three meters) from the shore power inlet or the electrical attachment
point of a permanently installed shore power cord, additional fuses or circuit breakers shall be provided
within 10 feet (three meters) of the inlet or attachment point to the electrical system of the boat.
Measurement is made along the conductors.
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Old 03-24-2020, 10:00 PM   #5
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11.10.2.8.3 Additional Overcurrent Protection - If the location of the main shore power disconnect
circuit breaker is in excess of 10 feet (three meters) from the shore power inlet or the electrical attachment
point of a permanently installed shore power cord, additional fuses or circuit breakers shall be provided
within 10 feet (three meters) of the inlet or attachment point to the electrical system of the boat.
Measurement is made along the conductors.
Thank you. Well its raining tomorrow and my haul out was cancelled. So a wire hunt tomorrow. Simple c/b box with two 50 amp breakers.

Still hate ABYC.
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Thank you. Well its raining tomorrow and my haul out was cancelled. So a wire hunt tomorrow. Simple c/b box with two 50 amp breakers.

Still hate ABYC.
When you get it all back together, turn on every thing on the boat and check the temp of the main disconnect feeder between the connector and the panel - just feel of it.

You'll likely want to rethink your opinion of ABYC!
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When you get it all back together, turn on every thing on the boat and check the temp of the main disconnect feeder between the connector and the panel - just feel of it.

You'll likely want to rethink your opinion of ABYC!
Cold as the north pole. Why are folks insisting that a 1988 boat must meet all ABYC requirements for 2020?
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Cold as the north pole. Why are folks insisting that a 1988 boat must meet all ABYC requirements for 2020?
think the only ones insisting are the insurance companies since it's their money at risk.
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think the only ones insisting are the insurance companies since it's their money at risk.
You do have a point.
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Well, you can accept doing the work the insurance company requires or go to another insurance company. However they will want a survey and you will be right back to the same place. Probably best to stay with the company you have a history with than going somewhere else. Blue Seas make some breaker panels that will do the job. They have both flush mount and surface mount panels.
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What I would do unless the boat already has one.


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Yeah, that's a fairly new one. Wasn't an issue on our previous boat, bought four years ago, but the surveyor dinged us when we bought Wanderlust a year ago and dinged my buddy when he bought his boat a month ago. Not a retrofit I'm going to take on myself. This is something for which an electrician will be called.
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Is the issue just that you don't have a breaker near the power inlet, and it's more than a 10' run to your breaker panel?


Or do you have a breaker at the power inlet, and an additional breaker is being recommended?


I think it's the first, but want to confirm.


And just out of curiosity, who is asking you to implement this recommendation?
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Does someone have access to ABYC recommendations please post or PM me the cite for the below?

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The 110-volt system lacks an intermediate main circuit breaker between the shore power inlet and the circuit
breaker panel main breaker. A 50 amp circuit breaker with runs of over ten feet between the panel and shore
power inlet should be installed.
Recommendation: Install a 50 amp double pole for both lines near the aft of the salon bulk head.
Yes, the 10' rule (wire feet) is part of ABYC E-11, and is not a new requirement..


E-11 7/2018

"11.10.2.8.3 Additional Overcurrent Protection - If the location of the main shore power disconnect circuit breaker is in excess of 10 ft (three meters) from the shore power inlet or the electrical attachment point of a permanently installed shore power cord, additional fuses or circuit breakers shall be provided within 10 ft (three meters) of the inlet or attachment point to the electrical system of the boat. Measurement is made along the conductors."


The oldest version of E-11 I can locate right now, on my hard drive, yet I know I have older ones, is;

E-11 7/2003
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"11.12.2.9.3 If the location of the main shore
power disconnect circuit breaker is in excess of 10 feet
(three meters) from the shore power inlet or the
electrical attachment point of a permanently installed
shore power cord, additional fuses or circuit breakers
shall be provided within 10 feet (three meters) of the
inlet or attachment point to the electrical system of the
boat. Measurement is made along the conductors.
"




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What I would do unless the boat already has one.


https://www.boatersland.com/blu3119....hoC66YQAvD_BwE
WOW $500 for just the junction box and 2 breakers. I think I will do as you did and make my own.

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Is the issue just that you don't have a breaker near the power inlet, and it's more than a 10' run to your breaker panel?


Or do you have a breaker at the power inlet, and an additional breaker is being recommended?


I think it's the first, but want to confirm.


And just out of curiosity, who is asking you to implement this recommendation?

Yes. See CMS post below.

No current breaker, will have to install one. I will have to search for the wiring between the shore power inlet and the current circuit breaker panel.

It was a write-up on my survey.

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Yes, the 10' rule (wire feet) is part of ABYC E-11, and is not a new requirement..


E-11 7/2018

"11.10.2.8.3 Additional Overcurrent Protection - If the location of the main shore power disconnect circuit breaker is in excess of 10 ft (three meters) from the shore power inlet or the electrical attachment point of a permanently installed shore power cord, additional fuses or circuit breakers shall be provided within 10 ft (three meters) of the inlet or attachment point to the electrical system of the boat. Measurement is made along the conductors."


The oldest version of E-11 I can locate right now, on my hard drive, yet I know I have older ones, is;

E-11 7/2003
:

"11.12.2.9.3 If the location of the main shore
power disconnect circuit breaker is in excess of 10 feet
(three meters) from the shore power inlet or the
electrical attachment point of a permanently installed
shore power cord, additional fuses or circuit breakers
shall be provided within 10 feet (three meters) of the
inlet or attachment point to the electrical system of the
boat. Measurement is made along the conductors.
"




.
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So by the response here on TF some of you have this, some don't.

So CMS what is the intention of ABYC when it comes to situations like this. They really don't expect every boat to be updated to 2020 recommendations do they?
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Wait a minute. It says "permanently installed shore power cord". Almost all of our (TF members) cords are removable.
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Wait a minute. It says "permanently installed shore power cord". Almost all of our (TF members) cords are removable.

It says "shore power inlet or the electrical attachment point of a permanently installed shore power cord", so both situations are covered.
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Good morning ASD,
We have basically the same boat. Took a while to find, but the breakers are under the lower helm, tucked up on top of a horizontal piece of wood...

Not sure if that's what you're looking for/referring to...
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