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Blarg21 01-10-2022 03:19 PM

Secondary Anchor
 
Hello all again. SO my boat is almost out of the dry docks being repaired. What started off as getting fuel lines repaired also ended up with having a fuel tank lined due to a small hole in the bottom. Anyways my questions is this. I live over in the Choctowatchee Bay and here its a super muddy bottom. II already have a 30lb danforth anchor as my primary but what would yall recommend as a secondary / storm anchor?

Drummer79 01-10-2022 05:41 PM

Sounds like the bottom here in Washington, NC. Any time for a storm that we had to move boats from dock (mine was a 29 foot sailboat) I always used a plow type anchor, sized a size bigger than suggested for my boat, bruce type I think? I got it from Defender Marine. I watched a boat identical in type and size to mine with nothing but two danforths get blown aground and laid over in the shallow water and was basically totalled after that. I used the danforth if I was just anchoring for a little while, nice weather, etc.. but I had an anchor alarm app on my phone. Always used plow type if i intended to sleep, walk away from it for a couple days, etc. Just my 2 cents.

Nomad Willy 01-10-2022 07:05 PM

Ideally you'd get a Super Sarca.

Size depends mostly on your boat size.

BruceK 01-10-2022 07:59 PM

I suggest making the ancient Danforth the secondary and buying something modern and high holding. A Super Sarca as suggested above, or Sarca Excel, but there are numerous modern improved anchors around. Other suggestions will surely follow.

Unclematt 01-10-2022 08:19 PM

I have a 44KG Mantus M1 main anchor, when it hooks you better be holding on. My spare is a Fortress 23 which I have never needed. The Delta plow that came with the boat was a fail.

psneeld 01-10-2022 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BruceK (Post 1067256)
I suggest making the ancient Danforth the secondary and buying something modern and high holding. A Super Sarca as suggested above, or Sarca Excel, but there are numerous modern improved anchors around. Other suggestions will surely follow.

I agree.... Danforths have great holding but a bad rep for initial grab. So bad as a primary for emergencies and day to day hooking. But for storms or a backup when you have the luxury of checking its bite...they are hard to beat.

FF 01-11-2022 07:03 AM

A 30# Danforth is probably an "S" version.

The "H" versions are far stronger and way better for overnight use.

I suggest you replace it. Tho it would be a fine stern anchor.

The second anchor should be a different style , CQR , Herrishoff for other bottom areas.

Anchors seldom wear out , they become fad items, so look for a large used anchor , about $2.00 a pound seems fair.

ranger58sb 01-11-2022 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Blarg21 (Post 1067105)
I live over in the Choctowatchee Bay and here its a super muddy bottom. II already have a 30lb danforth anchor as my primary but what would yall recommend as a secondary / storm anchor?


If it's slimy/thin mud, we've had good luck with Fortress and with SuperMAX. Both adjustable for mud. A Fortress of the same weight as a Danforth would be significantly larger.

I don't do secondary/storm/lunch etc. The mounted anchor is THE anchor.

Although I do also keep spares aboard. :) Actually, we had the SuperMAX on the bow, and the Fortress stowed as our best spare... because they dismantle and stow so easily.

NOT Delta in thin/slimy/soupy mud. Dunno about others, but many of the boat tests (S/V Panope videos, Noelex photos, Fortress Chesapeake mud tests, etc.) suggest many of the modern anchors fail in slimy/soupy mud.

-Chris

Gdavid 01-11-2022 08:57 AM

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Originally Posted by BruceK (Post 1067256)
I suggest making the ancient Danforth the secondary and buying something modern and high holding. A Super Sarca as suggested above, or Sarca Excel, but there are numerous modern improved anchors around. Other suggestions will surely follow.

I second (or third, fourth) this recommendations. The more modern/high performance anchors are more reliable at resetting than the Danforth which is highly desirable in a primary anchor. The Danforth is a good performer for a stern or storm anchor and they can be stored pretty easily, the railing mounts work very well with them and it keeps them close at hand.

There is endless threads debating which is the best anchor, enough to keep you occupied through winter. I'm happy with my rocna vulcan but there are plenty of good options out there, personally I don't care for Deltas, it's about the only anchor I would avoid.

Shrew 01-11-2022 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ranger42c (Post 1067391)

I don't do secondary/storm/lunch etc. The mounted anchor is THE anchor.

Agreed. "Storm Anchor" gets bantered around a bit lightly. A true storm anchor for 20-25K Lb boat would be 100+ lbs. They are used to ride out a hurricane on anchor. IF this is not what one is thinking, then please stop using the word 'storm anchor'.

I see no point in a 'lunch hook'. Thunderstorms pop out of nowhere. Why would anyone need or want an undersized anchor, just because you're not staying overnight?

When we anchor it is sometimes for weeks. We're not changing out anchors as the weather changes.

Seevee 01-11-2022 02:41 PM

So, here's a question....


Suppose we get the OP the "perfect" primary anchor for his boat. Sarca, Vulcan, etc.


Now, for a secondary anchor, primarily for pending storms.


Would you mount it on another roller/chute next to the primary?
Assuming you had plenty of swing room, would you set it out several feet in advance of the primary, and tie it to the main anchor rode? Or use a Bahamian tie?


And when would you launch it? What kind of weather forecast would prompt you?

Gdavid 01-11-2022 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrew (Post 1067483)
Agreed. "Storm Anchor" gets bantered around a bit lightly. A true storm anchor for 20-25K Lb boat would be 100+ lbs. They are used to ride out a hurricane on anchor. IF this is not what one is thinking, then please stop using the word 'storm anchor'.

I see no point in a 'lunch hook'. Thunderstorms pop out of nowhere. Why would anyone need or want an undersized anchor, just because you're not staying overnight?

When we anchor it is sometimes for weeks. We're not changing out anchors as the weather changes.

Fair point. I would keep the Danforth as a spare or contingency anchor. On boats without a dual anchor pulpit setup, a danforth is well suited if you feel compelled to use a bahamian mooring due to a tight anchorage or need to deploy a stern anchor. They provide a lot of holding power for their weight. If I was starting from scratch and cost wasn't an issue, I would choose a Fortress as it is easier to pull by hand but they are pricey and a if you already have a Danforth, I would use it for this purpose.

ranger58sb 01-11-2022 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Shrew (Post 1067483)
I see no point in a 'lunch hook'. Thunderstorms pop out of nowhere. Why would anyone need or want an undersized anchor, just because you're not staying overnight?

Probably makes more sense to folks who have no electric windlass... and for some reason want to stop the boat to eat. (I don't see much use in that, either.)


Quote:

Originally Posted by Seevee (Post 1067487)
Now, for a secondary anchor, primarily for pending storms.

Would you mount it on another roller/chute next to the primary?
Assuming you had plenty of swing room, would you set it out several feet in advance of the primary, and tie it to the main anchor rode? Or use a Bahamian tie?

And when would you launch it? What kind of weather forecast would prompt you?

Given an easy choice, I'd mount it on another roller next to the other anchor. And I'd consider both "storm" anchors, which one to use at any given time to be selected based on holding ground make-up.

I don't have any experience with deploying mulltiple anchors at the same time. No insight.

-Chris

Blarg21 01-11-2022 04:48 PM

Oh man, way more replies than I thought I would get on this lol. The previous owner used this anchor all the time over in Mobile Bay but im not sure it would work over here. And if I had to anchor the boat out for a hurricane, I know that anchor wouldn't hold all to well.

Nomad Willy 01-11-2022 05:44 PM

What’s a Luhrs 400?
40’ Luhrs?

Andy G 01-11-2022 08:32 PM

[QUOTE=Unclematt;1067264[B]]I have a 44KG Mantus M1 main anchor, when it hooks you better be holding on.[/B]

Wow, you have a 44KG(98lb) anchor on a 32' boat. That's a big anchor.

bowball 01-11-2022 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Unclematt (Post 1067264)
I have a 44KG Mantus M1 main anchor, when it hooks you better be holding on. My spare is a Fortress 23 which I have never needed. The Delta plow that came with the boat was a fail.

The Fleming 58 at 105,000 lbs displacement comes standard with a 45kg ultra anchor so that’s a lot of anchor you have!

Nomad Willy 01-11-2022 08:55 PM

As Ranger46c writes;
“If it's slimy/thin mud, we've had good luck with Fortress and with SuperMAX. Both adjustable for mud. A Fortress of the same weight as a Danforth would be significantly larger.”

The Super Max could be the best for this “thin mud” but they are heavy. In “Choctowatchoee Bay” a Max could be perfect. Would need a good winch to handle the weight. The Max (I think) was actually created for mud. And I know of no other .. in that regard. But a Fortress 1/4 the weight may hold as well. But may not set as dependably. But veering and reversing would be far better w the Max. IMO

BruceK 01-11-2022 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Blarg21 (Post 1067526)
Oh man, way more replies than I thought I would get on this lol. The previous owner used this anchor all the time over in Mobile Bay but im not sure it would work over here. And if I had to anchor the boat out for a hurricane, I know that anchor wouldn't hold all to well.

"A" stands for Anchor, and for Avalanche,(of replies). Hope it all helps. :)

Unclematt 01-12-2022 07:08 AM

My mistake on the 44KG it is a 45 LB anchor. I struggle with metrics.


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