Interesting boats

[Mako]

I have to admit that the ER is fantastic. The pipe work looks like one of our research labs

 

[Alaskaflyer]

I see the former developer/owner of Active Captain (can’t remember his name) has put Red Head up for sale. View attachment 121012

https://jmys.com/listings/florida-bay-coaster-64-red-head/

“The current owners are very active captains who have owned multiple boats and been involved in the marine industry for decades.”

Lol Jeff Merrill.

 

[Simi 60]

If this FBC only had this interior. I always enjoy watching the Calibre Yacht sales videos.


https://youtu.be/V7nuFjdIySE

I knew I'd seen one of them with a nice innards
That other one was a shocker

 

[Adopo]

It looks really top heavy. I wouldnt trust it.

You know I thought the same thing, but I think the house up is aluminum? I know at least the one from 2007 Calibre was. I think I saw that this one for sale here is listed at 200,000 lbs? And with the fairly flat bottoms should be stable, but I would think these are just what they claim in the name, Florida Bay Coasters and not blue water. I did not notice anything about stablizers. But what do I know, I am just a casual keyboard observer and I do think it is a cool boat. Would make the ultimate boat condo, and I'm afraid anything we get will be 80% at dock or anchorage. As are most boats.

Here is an interesting link, is this the same boat as it also is named Red Head? Testrarossa if Italian.

https://floridabaycoasters.com/65-florida-bay-coaster/

Well just answered my questions I think with this article. Shame to cover those beautiful old oak floors Billy Joel found in from the barn. And I was wondering if he chose the name Red Head. Of course he did!

https://www.yachtingmagazine.com/cure-cabin-fever-florida-bay-coaster-65/

 

[phillippeterson]

It looks really top heavy. I wouldnt trust it.

agree. That's the first thing I noticed.

 

[Northern Spy]

It looks really top heavy. I wouldnt trust it.

Not this again.

Google "cruise ship in drydock".

Nevermind. Did it for you.

Also. http://benford.us/pdf/WhatAboutStability.pdf

 

[BruceK]

"Beautiful boat. If I were 10 years younger, that boat would be mine."

Well, everyone is allowed their own opinion. A boat like this deserves an equally "stylish" shore craft like this beauty... (yes, lots of sarcasm here)

I`m recalling a comment by a rival car maker present, some years ago, at the unveiling of a new Volvo. Someone had suggested it looked "squarish", he said: "I`m sure it will look fine when they get it out of the box".

 

[Adopo]

We were in Grenada. I was septic so we scheduled a flight out the next day. Asked wife to check water tanks before we left. Boat on the hard so ~11’ to the deck. She didn’t have chance to tie top of the ladder. Fell the full 11’ fortunately not striking her head. Fractured ankle in 3 places and gait/balance still off. We medvac’s the next day. I was hospitalized. She finally got decent care as well with interventions for her ankle.
This fall is the reason we are on this site. Sold the boat. She’s still unsafe for blue water sailing. Be coastal/near shore on a stabilized boat with no need for deck work underway. She was almost crippled for life. I almost died. Medivac insurance doesn’t work when commercial flights are closed. We took the second to last flight out. Will continue to carry medivac insurance. Know too much about the variability of US health centers to do otherwise.

Be careful out there. The simple daily coastal/land based activities are possibly more dangerous than what goes on the water. Falling between boat and slip, falling when on the hard. Tripping on cords or dock lines.

OMG that is just awful! Thank God she is ok otherwise, but 11 feet...wow and what about you? Was that from an injury? I think we should start a thread on things that happen like this under boating safety and concerns. There may be some lessons we can learn.

 

[Wayfarer]

So here’s something a little left field. This is ‘Forest City.’ She’s an old ‘bum boat’ tied up in Cleveland. Years ago, many ports had these kicking around. They were commercial operations that specialized in catering to the needs of the Great Lakes freighter crews. A ship would come into port and tie up, and the bum boat would come along side. The crew from the ships could go hang out on the boat and have a few beers, or buy some cigarettes or some newspapers or or work clothes or toiletries or film or snacks. Anything they might need after having been away from civilization for a few weeks or months.

They were an important part of a sailors social life as well. News and gossip about other boats, old friends, old enemies, and family members were spread via the bum boats.

There used to be a lot more ships running around, and they had a lot more crew members, so the bum boat business was profitable for a long time. Eventually the fleet got smaller, and the number of crew needing their services did too, and the bum boat went extinct.

 

[JWellington]

You'd really hate some of the nordavn range then.
But boat design is not just about looks

Sure, about ...WHETHER...it is top heavy, and I'll bet that one is.

 

[HTurner]

So here’s something a little left field. This is ‘Forest City.’ She’s an old ‘bum boat’ tied up in Cleveland. Years ago, many ports had these kicking around. They were commercial operations that specialized in catering to the needs of the Great Lakes freighter crews. A ship would come into port and tie up, and the bum boat would come along side. The crew from the ships could go hang out on the boat and have a few beers, or buy some cigarettes or some newspapers or or work clothes or toiletries or film or snacks. Anything they might need after having been away from civilization for a few weeks or months. View attachment 121072View attachment 121073

They were an important part of a sailors social life as well. News and gossip about other boats, old friends, old enemies, and family members were spread via the bum boats.

There used to be a lot more ships running around, and they had a lot more crew members, so the bum boat business was profitable for a long time. Eventually the fleet got smaller, and the number of crew needing their services did too, and the bum boat went extinct.

Thanks for posting. What size are these boats?

 

[Simi 60]

Sure, about ...WHETHER...it is top heavy, and I'll bet that one is.

Well you'd be wrong
Download the above pdf and have a read.

 

[Wayfarer]

Thanks for posting. What size are these boats?

I’m not sure exactly, but I’d guess in the 45 foot range.

 

[wkearney99]

I have to admit that the ER is fantastic. The pipe work looks like one of our research labsView attachment 121050

My first impression of that is gonna be a pain replacing anything. That and there appear to be heavy gauge electrical running through unsupported and in direct contact with the conduits. Not a good thing, as vibration will likely cause the insulation to abrade over time.

 

[wkearney99]

So here’s something a little left field. This is ‘Forest City.’ She’s an old ‘bum boat’ tied up in Cleveland.

That's a fascinating bit of history. It was still operating as such as recently as 1987. https://images.maritimehistoryofthegreatlakes.ca/images/MHGL0001228791T.PDF

 

[Alaskaflyer]

Yes thanks for that nugget of history. Living and boating on the Great Lakes and being a bit of a history nerd I had never heard of the bum boats before. I wonder if they were mostly on certain of the lakes or at certain ports and not on others. Will read more.

 

[JWellington]

Not this again.

Google "cruise ship in drydock".

Nevermind. Did it for you.

Also. http://benford.us/pdf/WhatAboutStability.pdf
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Didnt open on my device, but looks like a different boat anyway.

 

[Alaskaflyer]

Didnt open on my device, but looks like a different boat anyway.

Jay Benford is the naval architect who designed the Florida Bay Coasters including the one mentioned here, as well as the former Teddi Bear that was shown above too, and many others that "appear" "top heavy."

"As the designer, I find it interesting
that they would happily cross an ocean aboard a cruise
ship (see top left photo) that has about the same stability
as our design..."

The gist is, stability is more complicated than height above the waterline, and these feature a wider waterline beam for a high measure of transverse stability.

 

[Simi 60]

The gist is, stability is more complicated than height above the waterline, and these feature a wider waterline beam for a high measure of transverse stability.

And a nice demonstration of that stability

Most weekends I see boats look more tippy than that craneing a tender over the side

 

[McGillicuddy]

My first impression of that is gonna be a pain replacing anything. That and there appear to be heavy gauge electrical running through unsupported and in direct contact with the conduits. Not a good thing, as vibration will likely cause the insulation to abrade over time.

If I am looking at the same thing, I don’t believe that is electrical conduit. It appears to be fiber reinforced flexible plastic water pipes.

 

[JD Ray]

This is a far cry from a trawler (though it does have a galley, so there's that), but wow is this a beautiful boat. The word "bespoke" doesn't seem fancy enough to apply here.

 

[OldDan1943]

This is a far cry from a trawler (though it does have a galley, so there's that), but wow is this a beautiful boat. The word "bespoke" doesn't seem fancy enough to apply here.

Nice tender, so where's the crapper and shower?

 

[HTurner]

Nice tender, so where's the crapper and shower?

It's a bucket and chuck it affair. Though it is a very nice teak bucket.

 

[Adopo]

Regarding the 55 Jay Benford Teddi Bear, I found this website today the is worth look, very interesting read. Lots of details about the build, and a good article from Passage Maker.

Teddi Bear | A Jay Benford Small Ship

Benford Design Group

 

[Peter B]

I enjoyed the opportunity to go aboard 'Navigator', the Coaster built here in Aus, and the first in aluminium, when she was here on display at the Sanctuary Cove International Boat Show some years ago. Very impressive, and although they might look top heavy, they are not, although Navigator needed extra low ballast because of the lighter hull material. I believe the owner often carries a small vehicle on the foredeck.

https://floridabaycoasters.com/38-investigator/

 

[Art]

And a nice demonstration of that stability

Most weekends I see boats look more tippy than that craneing a tender over the side

"Transverse stability in measurement of the Jeep cargo low slung weight pushing downward on hull" [in calm water] per list/heal degree realized on the axis of boat centerline.

Is Apple to Orange... As compared to:

"Transverse stability in measurement of tall superstructure leaning weight pushing downward on hull" [in rough beam seas] per list/heal degree realized on the axis of boat centerline.

Jeep photo has super calm flat water under boat. In conditions of heavy seas [especially beam seas] tall superstructure affects transverse stability of boat hull far differently than the jeep's weight... beam wave forces the hull to heal... therefore assisting the superstructure's leaning weight to automatically further the boat's heel. I feel the comparison of jeep weight in calm water as comparison to superstructure weight in rough beam seas is a form of misnomer for depicting transverse stability conditions.

That said: Of course the width [beam] of a hull is directly proportionate to the superstructure-weight lean callability off of cl axis. And, the more ballast [engines, tankage, lead/concrete or other] placed on low cog area all factor in to maintain transverse stability of a boat.

Therefore these costal cruisers' wide beam do appear to make up for their tall superstructures in regard to keeping their transverse stability at a good ratio.

Must say though... those broad and tall sided superstructures must create quite the sail effect when docking in strong winds.

 

[Mako]

Must say though... those broad and tall sided superstructures must create quite the sail effect when docking in strong winds.

Which is probably why it has 600 hp for a slow speed cruiser. 20 knots on the nose and that superstructure acts like a giant parachute.

 

[Northern Spy]

"Transverse stability in measurement of the Jeep cargo low slung weight pushing downward on hull" [in calm water] per list/heal degree realized on the axis of boat centerline.



Is Apple to Orange... As compared to:



"Transverse stability in measurement of tall superstructure leaning weight pushing downward on hull" [in rough beam seas] per list/heal degree realized on the axis of boat centerline.



Jeep photo has super calm flat water under boat. In conditions of heavy seas [especially beam seas] tall superstructure affects transverse stability of boat hull far differently than the jeep's weight... beam wave forces the hull to heal... therefore assisting the superstructure's leaning weight to automatically further the boat's heel. I feel the comparison of jeep weight in calm water as comparison to superstructure weight in rough beam seas is a form of misnomer for depicting transverse stability conditions.



That said: Of course the width [beam] of a hull is directly proportionate to the superstructure-weight lean callability off of cl axis. And, the more ballast [engines, tankage, lead/concrete or other] placed on low cog area all factor in to maintain transverse stability of a boat.



Therefore these costal cruisers' wide beam do appear to make up for their tall superstructures in regard to keeping their transverse stability at a good ratio.



Must say though... those broad and tall sided superstructures must create quite the sail effect when docking in strong winds.

Ummmm. No. That's not how it works.

Download Principles of Naval Engineering. It's a free pdf on many sites.

Read chapter 3. Stability and Buoyancy.

 

[Art]

Ummmm. No. That's not how it works.

Download Principles of Naval Engineering. It's a free pdf on many sites.

Read chapter 3. Stability and Buoyancy.

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Please signify what portion of what I mention as "... not how it works." ... in your opinion.

Are you saying that transverse stability conditions as affected similarly in regard to the pictures in calm water of a boomed Jeep weight - in regard to - traverse stability condition actions represented by a boat in heavy beam seas with a tall superstructure weight heeling over to one side or another?

 

[Northern Spy]

What makes you think "heavy seas" are going to incline the hull if a jeep in calm water fails to.

Maybe read up or watch a video on inclining test.