49th Parallel Rumor

[dannc]

Me-thinks Canada rolled the dice a bit early on and decided to concentrate on getting first doses in arms instead of two shot full vaccinations because we are dependant on other countries for our vaccines.

A recent 1.3 million person study in Scotland found that people with one Pfizer shot had a 90% less chance of being hospitalized with Covid-19. That's good enough for now!

Looks like it was a good gamble.

Yes, it was a gamble, and it seems, a good one. I have heard/read that having more time between the two jabs builds up immunity. But then there were saying that was a bad thing. Who knows. But the reality is/was, with a shortage of jabs, getting at least one is better than none.


Later,
Dan

 

[dannc]

The US recognizes the falling rates of people getting vaccinated. It is currently implementing a plan to take the vaccinations to the people. We have a severe laziness issue in the US, it is believed if we go more direct to the people we will be able to achieve the 70%.

It has nothing to do with laziness but more to do with concern about the safety of the vaccines, distrust of the government, and past use of parts of the population for experiments.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8009077/

If one is a minority, but not Asian, the people who will "NOT get the jab" or "are not sure" is 40ish% to almost 60%. That is not lazy. That is trust and history.

Later,
Dan

 

[MurrayM]

Lost in the mist of time and fading memory banks...I read a study where it was determined that while certain ethnicities were being harder hit by Covid 19, it had nothing to do with race and everything to do with poverty.

Something to address in the wake of this thing perhaps?

Putting...sociology covid...into a search engine makes for interesting reading.

 

[kthoennes]

Yep - skepticism, not laziness, and now, not lack of easy access either. I can get a shot when I pick up a gallon of milk at the store, if I wanted to.

 

[psneeld]

Mods, not sure why this hasn't been moved to the COVID sub forum now that it is past a boating/cruising rules and regs discussion.

Again, some just can't help themselves.

 

[sunchaser]

.I read a study where it was determined that while certain ethnicities were being harder hit by Covid 19, it had nothing to do with race and everything to do with poverty .

So, living North of the 49th parallel an with an outdoors bent gives most Canucks a decided advantage.

 

[JWellington]

They always mean...fresh water at sea level. If you dont, then you must specify
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[MurrayM]

So, living North of the 49th parallel an with an outdoors bent gives most Canucks a decided advantage.

Not if you have health issues related to poverty, live in a crowded multigenerational home, work at a low paying job with crowded conditions where you don't get paid sick days, and feel pressured to go to work when sick hoping it's just a cold and not Covid.

 

[firehoser75]

By the way, a BIG thanks from me to the Canadian government for allowing US boaters to pass through BC to Alaska with a minimum of fuss. It seems to me - and I might be wrong - that there’s a fair amount of grumbling in Canada about the transiting US boats. As things stand right now, American boaters have more liberty and freedom to move about in BC than Canadian boaters.

The friendly accommodation by the government is VERY appreciated.

Kawini,
Yes, US boaters have more freedom of "movement" under BC's rules than Canadian boaters do. Thanks to all US boaters who are following the temporary "rules". Looking at AIS signals on MarineTraffic, it seems that there at least as many US boats in our waters as there are Canadian ones. Well not quite, but way closer than you might think considering the border is "closed". Not a negative comment, just an observation.
Murray, your comment about poverty is certainly a part of the issue, but so is biology it appears. Especially in northern climes (includes the northern half of the US especially in winter), people with dark skin do not produce vitamin D as readily as lighter skinned people. That is just biology. Poorer people probably do not have money to spend on Vit. D supplements as evidenced by studies showing low Vit. D levels in large portions of many segments of the population. Studies have also shown that having a high enough Vit. D level improves immune responses to respiratory illnesses. I don't understand why Health Authorities are not promoting Vit. D supplementation? It is inexpensive and does not seem to have any real downsides unless very high amounts are taken.

 

[OldDan1943]

oI guess you can still pick up pre-ordered stores at the fuel dock even if you have to provide a nice 20-25% tip.
If you dont want to go 'in', I suspect you can have stores delivered to your boat, underway. Just provide a "high line" and a very nice tip.

 

[psneeld]

I didn't think they tipped in Canada.

 

[MurrayM]

I didn't think they tipped in Canada.

A quick search reveals the minimum wage in Florida is $8.65 an hour while it's going over $15.00 an hour here in BC after June 1st...which means customers in Florida are in a way paying a portion of workers wages?

A living wage seems the better option.

Oh, and we ("they") tip here as well but maybe not to the same degree.

 

[OldDan1943]

It is interesting to see the various manufacturers and their recommendations.
Yen and I got our second shot today so I guess in a couple of weeks, we will be safe. I dont intend to change our life-style just because we are vaccinated other than going out to dinner more often.
I have heard so many reasons not to get the vaccine ..... none of which are true. Without that little piece of paper, ones traveling may be very restricted.

Herd immunity? Could be but I do know or feel, I would rather restrict my visiting with those who refuse to get the shot(s)
Varients ..... it is my feeling, those who do not get the shots have a greater chance for bringing in the variants.
So if we all follow the rules we can experience a better summer. SMILE
Booster shots may become a way of life. I guess they will be used to cover the variants?
We are all encouraged to get the annual flu shot so why not a covid booster?

So 2 great things have happened to me this month. Completed the covid shots and got a FL driver's license 7 days before my GA driver's license expired. LIFE IS GOOD!!!

 

[Northern Spy]

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Negotiations to open are underway. After the two holidays in July borders will open with restrictions. We are running out of reasons to keep them closed.

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Oh. I don't know. There seems by be a plethora of new reasons in the Provincial and Federal tickle trunks.

 

[SteveK]

I didn't think they tipped in Canada.

Strange, my travels outside Canada and the US I would have locals say OH you're not American. I would ask how do you know that. The answer was your wallet is not fat. Translation, we tip.

 

[psneeld]

Well my experiences along the East Coast and experiences with Canadian tourists (tipping only one of many topics)....

I can evoquically say myself and about everyone know are pretty much against opening the border with Canada.

They have started to think opening the border wider with Mexico might be a better idea.

 

[MurrayM]

Well my experiences along the East Coast and experiences with Canadian tourists (tipping only one of many topics)....

I can evoquically say myself and about everyone know are pretty much against opening the border with Canada.

They have started to think opening the border wider with Mexico might be a better idea.

Wanna second chance at tightening that up?

 

[JWellington]

MurrayM. I dont think so..I'm pretty sure I read that of poor black and whites, it affected blacks more.

 

[psneeld]

Wanna second chance at tightening that up?

No......

On course, on glideslope.........

 

[firehoser75]

Well my experiences along the East Coast and experiences with Canadian tourists (tipping only one of many topics)....

I can evoquically say myself and about everyone know are pretty much against opening the border with Canada.

They have started to think opening the border wider with Mexico might be a better idea.

Scott,
So ALL Canadians are the same?? All Americans the same???

Interesting.
I have travelled extensively and never found that to be true for any "people". I have found that People are all individuals. Some individuals I like more than others.

Personally I look for common ground, similarities, ideas in common. I welcome differing opinions. I recognize that is how civilization and science/knowledge has advanced.
Anyway, I think the border will be closed for a while yet, and I will not expound on the reasons at this point.

 

[JWellington]

Firehoser75, the border with Mexico IS open. The LSM just doesnt report on it too much since Biden got in.

 

[psneeld]

No they are not, but it is a bigger issue which I will not discuss here....

I hoped this discussion would be transferred where it eventually belonged......

Transmission ends......

 

[SteveK]

No they are not, but it is a bigger issue which I will not discuss here....

I hoped this discussion would be transferred where it eventually belonged......

Transmission ends......

Can you explain what the difference would be if this thread was in the covid folder. I mean you click new posts and it will still show up. As Murray suggested just ignore the thread if it bothers you so much.
IF the covid folder did not appear when you clicked new post then it would make sense what you are trying to achieve.

 

[Ang]

Scott,
So ALL Canadians are the same?? All Americans the same???

Interesting.
I have travelled extensively and never found that to be true for any "people". I have found that People are all individuals. Some individuals I like more than others.

Personally I look for common ground, similarities, ideas in common. I welcome differing opinions. I recognize that is how civilization and science/knowledge has advanced.
Anyway, I think the border will be closed for a while yet, and I will not expound on the reasons at this point.

Ditto on that Tom,

Cheers,
Ang

 

[MurrayM]

We tend to stay off the Inside Passage, so it'll be quiet as usual

 

[BruceK]

Strange, my travels outside Canada and the US I would have locals say OH you're not American. I would ask how do you know that. The answer was your wallet is not fat. Translation, we tip.

We messed up in Ireland, sharing a table with a Canadian couple I thought they were from US,they quickly and fairly politely put me right, all good. Nice people, not that Americans aren`t too. With practice, the accent becomes more apparent, but that varies. With French speaking Canadians it should be easier.

 

[tiltrider1]

Strange, my travels outside Canada and the US I would have locals say OH you're not American. I would ask how do you know that. The answer was your wallet is not fat. Translation, we tip.

I don't know how the Canadians are perceived in Europe. I do know that the British are perceived as picky and cheap and that the Americans are perceived as big tippers. I've always made it a point to let the locals know that I'm American, I see an immediate change in service once they realize that I'm not British.

 

[gsholz]

Americans are considered big tippers because typically they don't understand tipping in Europe. E.g. in Austria, the mandated tip in restaurants is already included in the bill. Local people round off to the nearest full Euro but don't add an additional 10-20%.

 

[SteveK]

There was in California tip included in the bill whether you wanted it or not. That should be considered as if a common practice those Americans may be used to it and then do not tip abroad.

 

[tiltrider1]

It’s possible that Americans are bigger tippers because they are stupid. In my case, I manage to get more out of the service staff than the average customer and in return I tip those who take care of me.

I am also not afraid to not tip if the service was sub standard.