Northern Spy
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It's no fish ye're buying, it's men's lives. - Sir Walter Scott
bfloyd, Do you still have the wreckage of the New Carissa on your coast or was it successfully salvaged?
Land Management The Wreck of the New Carissa
We had a TV series, I think called "Trawlermen" ( "trawlerpersons" to be PC), of a trawler fleet out of UK, great pics of scary weather and stories of the daily perils. But the "Greymouth" footage is about as exciting as it gets. Even so I reckon the helmsman, oops, helmsperson, was probably smoking a cigarette and thought it a greater health hazard than the bar.Here are some North Sea fishing boats
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2239231/North-Sea-trawlermen-Fishing-boat-battered-waves-brave-crew-carry-dangerous-job-world.html
Potato Patch Shoal outside Golden Gate.
Surfing the Potato Patch - Wavechaser finals (USA) - Surfski.info - News, Product Reviews and Interviews
During my 1960s teenage years racing on my father's 28.5-foot sloop, close-by sailboats would disappear, except for the tops of their sails among the waves.
taters is fur eatin nopt surfin
Potatoes were once grown along the coast. Before there was good land transportation, they were shipped in boats, some of which lost their loads in the shoal due to the waves.
isnt that a bird? a type of stabilizer
I've never crossed a bar like that but have done quite a bit of reading on how to cross a bar, and after watching that video a few times, I have some questions about how to do it properly.
As I understand how to handle your boat in those waves, the best way to do it is to ride the back of the wave in front of you and avoid waves coming under your stern. Obviously, from watching that video that's how the fishing boats kept being tossed about and nearly broaching. It seemed the fishing boats didn't have enough speed/power to keep up with the waves.
My question is this...if those two boats had been able to crank out a few more knots so as to be able to ride on the backs of the waves, wouldn't they have had a much easier time of that crossing?
I`m no expert but have crossed bars in an open fishing boat and that was how we did it coming in, getting on and staying on the back of a wave. This looks to be a bar of considerable distance, which may make that impractical, and it requires an ability to accelerate and slow rapidly to keep position which trawlers may lack.I've never crossed a bar like that..
I understand how to handle your boat in those waves, the best way.. is to ride the back of the wave in front of you and avoid waves coming under your stern. Obviously, from watching that video that's how the fishing boats kept being tossed about and nearly broaching. It seemed the fishing boats didn't have enough speed/power to keep up with the waves.
My question is this...if those two boats had been able to crank out a few more knots so as to be able to ride on the backs of the waves, wouldn't they have had a much easier time of that crossing?
One fear is the shallow water you might experience between waves. Momentary grounding could, I think, spell disaster at least as much as broaching or getting rolled.
I've never crossed a bar like that but have done quite a bit of reading on how to cross a bar, and after watching that video a few times, I have some questions about how to do it properly.
As I understand how to handle your boat in those waves, the best way to do it is to ride the back of the wave in front of you and avoid waves coming under your stern. Obviously, from watching that video that's how the fishing boats kept being tossed about and nearly broaching. It seemed the fishing boats didn't have enough speed/power to keep up with the waves.
My question is this...if those two boats had been able to crank out a few more knots so as to be able to ride on the backs of the waves, wouldn't they have had a much easier time of that crossing?
My boat's builder, in his younger, sailboating days, was transiting the South Channel approach to the Golden Gate when the boat was destroyed after hitting the ocean's bottom between the waves. He swam to shore and survived, but his companion did not.
My question is this...if those two boats had been able to crank out a few more knots so as to be able to ride on the backs of the waves, wouldn't they have had a much easier time of that crossing?
you can put your bow under water with some hull designs by useing to much power. I know the go fast design of my searay would do this cause i did it........GFC, short answer is yes-----but. . . . . I have ridden into inlets on the backs of waves many times. It takes plenty of power and much adjusting of throttles. You don't want to go over the face or get pooped. This is not always possible. When the ocean swells are opposing the current at an oblique angle, staying on the back of a wave can take you right into a jetty. That's when you try to correct by angling down the face of a wave, then do it all over again until in safe waters. It takes a lot of wheel turning and throttle adjustment. Lou hates that stuff.
BruceK said:....
One fear is the shallow water you might experience between waves. Momentary grounding could, I think, spell disaster at least as much as broaching or getting rolled.....
you can put your bow under water with some hull designs by useing to much power. I know the go fast design of my searay would do this cause i did it........
In a breaking inlet you can put ANY boats bow under with too much power...if you have too much power and screw up a breaking inlet you are in over your head.
Too little speed/power is where yoiu are concerned about broaching. You think running a breaking inlet is bad...try doing it with a tow occasionally like some of us have to.
I have observed tows crossings bars always with a sense of respect, and from a distance. Some places ive observed tows it looked like an impossible task but they alway got the job done. If you are one of those guys you have my respect
That's what happened to HMS Racoon (spelled correctly), ...The crew careened her in Ayala Cove on Angel Island for repairs.
Thank you...my inlet breaks...but thankfully nothing like the monster west coast bars
Yes,west coat Bars are foreboding but only a miniscule fraction of the power of Neptune.Thank you...my inlet breaks...but thankfully nothing like the monster west coast bars
Yes,west coat Bars are foreboding but only a miniscule fraction of the power of Neptune.
the short answer is yes...ride the back of one wave in...
The practical answer...I have never been in a situation where it works out that neat.