What is this "PC Movement?"
Seriously?
Try googling “pc movement”. See what shows up.
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What is this "PC Movement?"
Seriously?
Try googling “pc movement”. See what shows up.
Wifey B: The so called PC. Not using derogatory terms to refer to Gays, Blacks, Jews, Irish, Chinese, Women, and others? Is that what you anti-PC'ers are against? Should you be able to insult anyone and call anyone any name you wish? Is that acceptable in your minds?
My idea of PC is to show respect to all people and I'm 100% in favor of it.
"Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."
"Love thy neighbor as thyself."
Are those radical new PC slogans? I thought they were hundreds, even thousands of years old.
Anyone notice that the persons most against PC are those attacking others most rudely and bullying oftentimes?
And PC isn't just about language. It's about respect and decency. It's about equality. And things are not fixed until we truly live in a world where we believe and live as "all persons are created equally." Oh and I do have no problem rewording that from the Declaration of Independence as I believe our founders put in today's world would do the same. Different times.
However, as we argue as if these things are new, think back to it.
If I use a term or phrase that is offensive to other groups of people, even if not my intent, then I want to be educated as to it's hurtfulness and I want to cease using it. Words do hurt. Why? Because often they are accompanied by a deeper attitude and because often they are reminders of attitudes, prejudice, bigotry, and hatred. Sometimes it's so very subtle. I knew a very large man, gentle and friendly, who his friends often would use phrases like "you big dummy" toward. He didn't want to make them uncomfortable so he didn't tell them how hurtful it was, how all his life he'd fought a belief by many that to be that large, he must be dumb. It even went back to grade school where he wasn't as smart as others his size. He wasn't because he was years younger than them. I was stereotyped by my father. That hurt but I survived and overcame it.
Our language is powerful and a tool for good or bad. We can use it to influence. We can use it to uplift others or to put them down. However, they aren't just words and thinking words can never hurt us is foolish and short sighted. They do hurt and the words we accept reflect far more. The language we use is a far deeper reflection on our society and values.
Now, none of this has anything to do with the museum. The vandalism was wrong. Changing the word was a decision reached by the museum and it's easy to argue either way. However, to use their decision as a crusade against all political correctness and elimination of offensive language is ludicrous. Language evolves as society should but often seems not to progress.
I personally don't like the term PC because it's an abbreviation for Politically Correct. There should be nothing political about polite language. It should be Respectfully Considerate or something of that nature. It's not politics. It's human kindness and decency. I'd be all for letting PC go back to just representing Personal Computer. However, I'm all for not using offensive terms in referring to groups of people.
You seem to turn a blind eye when PC is used to help subvert the laws of this country.
We have a term, "Illegal Alien" which refers to a person who has either broken the law to be in the USA or has overstayed the legal time they're allowed to be here. The government has used this term for a great deal of time to define an individual's legal status in this country. The PC crowd tells us we are cruel and hateful for referring to people in this way, even though they willfully broke and continue to break our laws. Further, the PC crowd (the minority) are attempting to force legal status for these people and shelter them from federal law enforcement. Sorry, the PC crowd isn't about respect and dignity (for their fellow Americans), they're about imposing their agenda on the majority.
Ted
There are several things that confuse me here and I’m not sure from whence it comes. First, I’m not sure that the Museum bowed to any coercion. Certainly the vandalism likely prompted the discussion but I think “So we have to replace this sign, what pronoun do we want to use for a ship in 2019?” is more likely than “we better use ‘it’ so we aren’t the victims of future PC terrorists”.
I agree with you that this issue really isn’t about the pronouns that we use for vessels. I think it is silly to argue about what pronoun a museum uses for a vessel. I would also agree that the use of the pronoun “she” is appropriate in the context of a museum if that is how the persons associated with the vessel while it was in use generally referred to her.
You have railed against “PC”. Your definition of PC, while clever in a juvenile kind of way, didn’t really help me understand what it is specifically that you seem to hate and fear so much. There are many actions and forms of speech that I have been used to using that are either offensive or exclusionary for those that aren’t white, male, Christian, and heterosexual. Most of the time, it doesn’t bother me to amend my speech to avoid inadvertently offending or excluding others. It doesn’t cost me anything. There are times when it is more difficult as certain traditions and habits are dear to me. However, I certainly don’t feel threatened by them.
So if I need to try to remember to say “I hope someone qualified runs for the seat on the city council” instead of saying “I hope someone qualified runs for city councilman” I am happy to do it if it means that I won’t give some little girl the mistaken idea that it is something she can never do. Likewise if a patient of mine is transitioning their sexual identity from male to female, I don’t have a problem referring to them as “she” instead of “he” if that is what they prefer. While those changes may be hard for an old fart like me, I can probably handle it.
Now, I said as a teacher I'd edit, because grammatically, it's incorrect.
Wifey B: That's a separate issue then the museum making the change.
My lord, what have I given birth to here? I see even Woodland Hills from post 2 has quietly been reading along.
How about we now introduce the grammar police and call out the teacher?
Greetings,
Mr. s2. Are you suggesting it (the teacher) made a mistake?
My lord, what have I given birth to here? I see even Woodland Hills from post 2 has quietly been reading along.
How about we now introduce the grammar police and call out the teacher?
Not just "a" mistake; there are others but I suspect teacher has this little jem in the library:
https://www.amazon.ca/Little-Book-Big-Excuses/dp/1573243132
Jem?
That was a test, so far, several have passed and this is excuse #324.Jem?
Then get over it. You made your point. Politicized repetition is unhelpful. Try talking about boats.Confederate flag
Black Pride flag
Black Lives Matter flag
Gay Pride flag
Hillary flag
Trump flag
Vietnam Vets flag
Antifa flag
ISIS flag
I find several to be appalling...but I can get over it. However, the PC crew (the Enlightened Ones) believe they are the true arbiters of what is allowed and what is forbidden.
Then get over it. You made your point. Politicized repetition is unhelpful. Try talking about boats.
This post was in direct response to a post by another poster. See Post 108. Perhaps you should mind your own.
Not everyone here that pusts currently has a boat, and without a boat....cruising grounds are irrelevant.
Mikala, TF is a community. Be rude to a member or a group, a response may come from anywhere.This post was in direct response to a post by another poster. See Post 108. Perhaps you should mind your own.
What is this "PC Movement?"
Another topic where I think the definition of PC is so broad, sides are taken when there is more agreement than disagreement.