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Old 10-29-2018, 08:53 PM   #61
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If using your trawler during inclement weather counts... I stay aboard every Friday night , rain or wind at our marina in LaConner, WA all year long. I feel like, if I visit the boat, stay aboard, operate the systems and use her... she stays healthy. At 41 years old, leaks can pop up any time and a visit once a week, helps me keep ahead of problems. Besides that... I love being on the boat, weather be damned (I know, easy to say when your tied securely to a good dock with the shore power plugged in).

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Old 10-29-2018, 10:02 PM   #62
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I much prefer aimed at waves rather then them hitting me from the side or stern. Prefer pitching over rolling.
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Old 10-29-2018, 10:08 PM   #63
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Yes, travel in the rain, and snow, and sleet, and hail, and even on occasion sunshine.

My limits relate to wind. If it is really windy and if that wind is going to be against the current, then Iíll stay at anchor or at the dock.
Ditto! at 28 feet, 2' seas and over is check mate.
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Old 10-29-2018, 10:21 PM   #64
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Old 10-30-2018, 06:38 AM   #65
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Wifey B: Yes, but at 3' I haven't ever found one that would make me stay in. Maybe if it was 3' at 1/2 second. I've seen some 3' Chesapeake Chop that was a bit rough but even that wouldn't keep me in.
That depends on the boat, now doesn't it?
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Old 10-30-2018, 08:32 AM   #66
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That depends on the boat, now doesn't it?
Wifey B: Yes, but at 3' and then someone mentioned 2', I'm shocked that one has an issue with any boat. I see why so many never run outside the ICW. Our RIB's handle 3' at any period I've encountered without a problem.
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Don't judge. Ours is not a blue water boat. 3 foot waves on a river is kinda high. We will wait until it calms down.
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Don't judge. Ours is not a blue water boat. 3 foot waves on a river is kinda high. We will wait until it calms down.
Wifey B: I'm wondering if all of you are judging wave height correctly. It is the difference between the crest and the trough. That means a 3' wave is only 1.5' above a calm sea or flat water surface.
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That depends on the boat, now doesn't it?
and the skill and experience of the Captain and crew.
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I’m a bit surprised at the mention of 2 or 3 foot wave limits. That would discount 98% of the year for boating around here.

I just had a look at the weather over the next 7 days. Waves constantly over 4 feet and up to 11 feet. Still planning a couple days trips. Too rolly for anchoring out in most nearby spots though.
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Stacked 3 footers on the nose on the Pamlico Sound, for instance, or San Pablo Bay for another, will A) keep 98% of the boats in the marina that might otherwise go out. B) even in a bigger boat, like ramming into a 3 foot berm every few seconds. There's a reason you don't see many if any boats out on an otherwise nice sunny day in June with those conditions. I know, I have taken a hull count many times when we were one of the 2%. Not so much a matter of captain and crew skill, but of their tolerance, given how their boat reacts to those conditions. And as one of my favorite borrowed sayings go "the true sign of a captain with superior seamanship skills is he avoids putting himself in the position of having to use them". Boaters who avoid conditions they don't like to deal with have my respect.
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Wifey B: I totally agree with that and if any of the 2' or 3' conditions bother them, they shouldn't go out. I'm just a bit shocked to hear people say they don't go out in 2' or 3'. It wouldn't eliminate 98% for us as it does for AusCan but would eliminate at least 60% of our boating.
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Wifey B: I totally agree with that and if any of the 2' or 3' conditions bother them, they shouldn't go out. I'm just a bit shocked to hear people say they don't go out in 2' or 3'. It wouldn't eliminate 98% for us as it does for AusCan but would eliminate at least 60% of our boating.
Depends on the area.

If the wind is strong enough to pile up 3’ waves in a twisting, narrow waterway with sections of short fetch, they are going to be steep and closely packed. We get conditions like that a lot and spray goes over the pilothouse when punching into it, and going beam to is definitely a bad idea.

Also, brackish or fresh water piles up faster and steeper.
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Rain, fog, even snow probably wouldn't stop us in our Allweather. Depending on where we want to go and the wind direction we would avoid beam seas. Our little boat is quite seaworthy but it bobs around like a cork and has a roll that can hurt you if you are not holding on. We are planning a last outing before hauling out for the winter in the next few days, temps in the 30's to low 40's and wet.
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Iím a bit surprised at the mention of 2 or 3 foot wave limits. That would discount 98% of the year for boating around here.

I just had a look at the weather over the next 7 days. Waves constantly over 4 feet and up to 11 feet. Still planning a couple days trips. Too rolly for anchoring out in most nearby spots though.

It all has to do with the level of comfort. My wife really doesn't like getting tossed around, so her tolerance isn't as high as mine. Even so, I'd just as soon not have quartering waves that might spill my coffee.


The other issue is the boat. You have a motor sailor. In my sailboat, I don't ever recall even considering the seas before heading out. First of all, a bit of sail and 6' keel does wonders for the ride. Secondly, I think expectations are a bit different in a sailboat. Seas that were exhilarating in the sailboat are simply no fun in the power boat.
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A lot also depends on wave direction. Was out in Albemarle sound and the Alligator river on Saturday. 2 hours in 2 to 3' beams seas with three 4 to 5' waves every couple of minutes just to make you hate the sounds of NC, was enough to make anyone miserable. Once I was in the Alligator river, winds picked up to 35 knots. Wind fetch was short enough to only yield 2' seas and white foam. It was so miserable that I had a 40' sailboat use me as a wind block down the Alligator and through the Alligator Pungo canal. 30 miles with a sailboat 300' off your beam and a$$, using you as a wind block.

You haven't been beaten until you do 4' plus short chop on the beam, in the sounds of NC.

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Wifey B: A few posts now on beam seas. One thing I've learned is that many trawlers and full displacement boats perform very poorly in such seas. This would definitely be an area type boat comes into play. As we have planing and semi-planing hulls, we're able to match speed to waves and also to go wider routes to hit beam seas at better angles and don't experience the same issues in beam seas of the height discussed. Plus we are stablized.
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People talk a lot about beam seas. Try quartering them, tack port and starboard at regular intervals so as to maintain the desired course.
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Wifey B: A few posts now on beam seas. One thing I've learned is that many trawlers and full displacement boats perform very poorly in such seas. This would definitely be an area type boat comes into play. As we have planing and semi-planing hulls, we're able to match speed to waves and also to go wider routes to hit beam seas at better angles and don't experience the same issues in beam seas of the height discussed. Plus we are stablized.
Kind of tough to do when you need to stay in a channel as opposed to running aground or surfing through a field of crab pot markers. Certainly the mundane express lane of the ocean offers you those advantages. For those of us who are all about the scenery of the journey as opposed to the destination, we endure the bumps and potholes of the road less traveled.

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OldDan. Easy to do in south Biscayne Bay, more difficult in many areas in the ICW.
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