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Old 02-06-2019, 11:48 AM   #21
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We all know what Trawlers look like but to me it's the 7 knot mindset/lifestyle.

If you're going faster than 7-8 knots you're not "trawler-ing"

I'd argue that if a sailboat doesn't have sails it's trawler-ing.
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Old 02-06-2019, 11:56 AM   #22
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Old 02-11-2019, 03:24 PM   #23
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Can someone please tell . . . what is the difference between the two?
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Mostly, it depends on how pretentious the owner/operator wants to be!
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Old 02-11-2019, 04:38 PM   #24
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In Europe, a pleasure trawler yacht is usually defined as one with solid bulwarks all round such that you can walk at the same level all around the boat.
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Old 02-11-2019, 05:25 PM   #25
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In Europe, a pleasure trawler yacht is usually defined as one with solid bulwarks all round such that you can walk at the same level all around the boat.
Who defined that and where is it written?
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Old 02-11-2019, 06:24 PM   #27
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It`s a moveable feast. In the hands of a broker for sale, it`s a Motor Yacht. Buy it,and it becomes a Trawler. If you decide to sell and put it in the hands of a broker, hey presto,it`s back to being a Motor Yacht.
Both marketing terms imo. I like Trawler better.
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Old 02-11-2019, 08:16 PM   #28
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The Jefferson is neither motor yacht or Trawler.

It’s a cruiser .. heavy cruiser if that applies.

BobMc has an important point bringing in owner pretensiousness. But that is an element of the owner, mostly not the boat. But I’ve seen many a boat that is very pretensious. And size has little to do w it. Wood Riva’s are about as pretentious as any boat I’ve seen. And of course they are only about 25’ long.
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Funny, Her Shine, the builders of Jefferson Yachts thought they were building Motor Yachts and advertised them as such. Too bad they are no longer building Jeffersons, you could have corrected them.
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Clam,
Are you telling me they know all?
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I tell folks I have a trawler, they ask "How's the shrimp running?"
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I am not sure shrimp run.??!!
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I am not sure shrimp run.??!!
They have little legs, so could if they want.
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Old 02-12-2019, 03:42 AM   #34
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Mostly, it depends on how pretentious the owner/operator wants to be!
When you go cruising outside the US, you'll discover that any cruising boat, no matter its size or condition, is called a yacht. And cruisers are referred to as yachties–not always with affection. In other countries, the term "yacht" is anything but pretentious!
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The Jefferson is neither motor yacht or Trawler.

It’s a cruiser .. heavy cruiser if that applies.

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Eric, I have to disagree.

Here is a description of a heavy cruiser!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heavy_cruiser

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Can someone please tell me if the Jefferson 42 SE Sundeck is a trawler or a motor yacht and what is the difference between the two?
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The term "trawler" derives from the verbs "Trawl" and "Troll". The verb has meanings in both fishing and non-fishing contexts.

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/trawl

So...technically, you're not a "Trawler" if your're not dragging nets through the water. This brings us to the definition of a "Recreational Trawler".

As far as I can remember, I first heard the word "Trawler" used to refer to pleasure boat in the late 1970's. Warren Luhrs made it popular when he introduced the "Mainship" brand and called his boats "trawlers".

re: "what is the difference between the two?"

Minus the nets, a fishing Trawler can become a recreational Trawler. Either boat has a number of features that are desirable for long-distance, reliable and economical cruising. Here are a few:
  • Large interior hull space (cargo/fuel capacity) >>below<< the gunwales
  • Full-displacement or Semi-displacement hull. Trawlers are not built on planing hulls.
  • Designed for VERY economical operation, which generally means slow speeds, relatively small engines and (usually) a single engine. In these applications, engines frequently last tens-of-thousands of hours (see below).
  • A full length keel that is at least as deep as the lowest protrusion of the running gear into the water. This way when you run aground, you will run aground on the keel and most likely >>not<< tear out your prop-shaft(s) or rudder(s).
Obviously, if your boat is your livelihood, all of these things are important.

Here is a perfect example of a fishing trawler that embodies the entire concept:

https://www.powerequipment.com.au/ya...trong-as-ever/

re: "is the Jefferson 42 SE Sundeck a Trawler...?"

No. Robert B. Harris designed the Jefferson 42 Sundeck SE. He called it a "Motor Yacht" and that's what it is. It is built on a planing hull, it is only available with twin engines and is frequently equipped with 600-750hp. It has nothing in common with a (fishing) trawler.

Brokers like to list them as a "trawler" anyway, because this boat appeals to many folks looking to do the great loop, and if they put "trawler" into the listing description, many folks (like yourself) will consider them when shopping for a recreational trawler. This is just fine.

In the end, it doesn't matter much. These are great boats and you will see many of them on the Great Loop. You will burn more fuel and have higher maintenence costs than you will with a single-engine full or semi-displacement hull "trawler", but other than that your experience will be very much the same.

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Old 02-12-2019, 01:04 PM   #38
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We all know what Trawlers look like but to me it's the 7 knot mindset/lifestyle.

If you're going faster than 7-8 knots you're not "trawler-ing"

I'd argue that if a sailboat doesn't have sails it's trawler-ing.

That sums it up for me too....
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Old 02-12-2019, 01:34 PM   #39
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Here is trawler 'Lady Miriam' (which I showed above) showing her stuff in some pretty wild conditions...

https://www.facebook.com/APFisherman...5885779527941/
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The only black and white definition of a trawler is a fishing boat that pulls a large wide cone shaped net.

The name was applied to recreational "trawlers" for marketing purposes. Boats in this category tend to have a similar have some similarity in looks and tend to be used for relatively slow cruising. They have full displacement or semi-displacement hulls. The interior fit out tends to have plenty of teak or other wood. Some people also call them motor cruisers.

A motor yacht is a broader term which includes recreational trawlers as well as faster planing boats, but not working trawlers. Some owners consider the term "yacht" to be too snooty for their boat and prefer to just call them trawlers.

You are welcome to call your Jefferson a trawler, a motor yacht, or just a boat. Your choice.
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