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Old 10-09-2018, 10:51 AM   #41
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I was at the slip and looking at the posts sticking up above water level 10 feet and thinking about hurricane storm surge. That amount of water is unfathomable. I wondered if our marina would survive such a storm.
All the talk about doubling up lines to prep to shelter in place wont make any difference if that big surge happened. You can't just add lines, you have to allow the boat to float up with the surge. I imagine some boats will pull out the pilings, or break something.
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:53 AM   #42
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My current policy (Seatow’s Sea Insure) doesn’t make any specific restrictions on hauling or moving a boat for named storms. There is “Hurricane Protection Coverage” that will pay up to $500 per occurrence to haul or move a boat for a hurricane. Prior policies that I had, specifically with Travelers, had the “haul or move” clause for named storms.

For 47 years, I was on a mooring at the Watch Hill Boat Yard, with its wide open West fetch to the Long Island Sound. Over that period, I saw many boats break loose from their moorings and washed ashore or sunk in the cove. That’s my Island Packet that broke loose in Hurricane Bob (1991). Double mooring pendants were sheared, and she came ashore just missing the bulkhead, with surprisingly no damage. It was the only hurricane that I DID NOT haul the boat. Lesson learned.

For Super Storm Sandy, all boats were hauled at WHBY. With the storm surge, we came a couple of inches of boats floating off their jackstands. A couple of small center consoles were stored in the shed and a few came off their trailers.

A few years ago, I moved about 5 miles up the River to a slip in downtown Westerly, a fresh water marina that can be described as a “Hurricane hole”. For Sandy, no boats were hauled and any open slips where filled with boats seeking shelter. Only down side is the one hour run to open water. To “jleanard’s” comment on Mystic, any marina North of the railroad bridge is far enough up the River, and the Bridge itself serves as a pretty good hurricane barrier.

Here’s another storm anecdote. In 2006, my first year with Puffin NT32, we had an October low pressure system blow through with 2 days of wind with gust to 60 knots+. The boat in front of me, a 40 foot Hunter Legend sheared off its’ pendants and came down on my boat. The Legend’s anchor put a hole in my boat at the anchor guard, came down the port side scratching the accent strip, taking out a salon window, and getting impaled on my transom. The Yard unhooked the Legend and attached the sailboat to my 2 stern cleats, and we rode out the storm on my mooring, a 500 pound DorMor with my own pair of poly nylon 1” pendants. A couple of other boats broke loose and ended up on the rocks at the end of the Cove. Lesson learned here, boat yard changed all pendants the following year from single 3-strand to double 3/4” - 1” poly nylon with chaffing. Travelers paid for the damage, then cancelled my policy the next year.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:08 AM   #43
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[QUOTETo “jleanard’s” comment on Mystic, any marina North of the railroad bridge is far enough up the River, and the Bridge itself serves as a pretty good hurricane barrier.
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Just for the record I am at a marina south of the RR bridge at Gwenmor.

I have an acquaintance that has an old 34 Mainship (sistership to my "ex") and thought he'd ride out Sandy on his mooring in Noank. He figured if the boat broke loose he'd be aboard to save it.

Well less that 1/2 hour into it he got deathly seasick and was lying on the salon floor puking his guts out. Luckily for him he did not drown in it, he survived the sofa rolling over him 2 times, objects flying around the boat, and he survived the dehydration.

His comments afterward..."Id do it again next time".

I guess you can't fix some things.
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:38 AM   #44
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14 lines and 2 anchors?
Is your boat an aircraft carrier?
Sounds like a bit of over kill. LOL
You are staying on board for the hurricane?
The storm surge was about 3-4ft.

In my mind, I counted the number of lines I set out for Irma, LOL, I think I had a couple more lines than you. I did not put out anchors.
You are using over size lines too?
You are staying on board for all the excitement ?
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Old 10-09-2018, 11:50 AM   #45
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The Carolinas are likely to be hit again with flooding as well as Michael continues it's northern route.
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Old 10-09-2018, 07:31 PM   #46
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My thoughts go out to all the folks that are in the path of Michael. The forecasts seem to be for increasing winds and significant storm surge along the Gulf. So easy for me out here in the upper left-hand corner to forget about my fellow Americans in the SW.
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Old 10-09-2018, 08:29 PM   #47
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Old 10-09-2018, 09:08 PM   #48
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I was at the slip and looking at the posts sticking up above water level 10 feet and thinking about hurricane storm surge. That amount of water is unfathomable. I wondered if our marina would survive such a storm.
All the talk about doubling up lines to prep to shelter in place wont make any difference if that big surge happened. You can't just add lines, you have to allow the boat to float up with the surge. I imagine some boats will pull out the pilings, or break something.
This storm is a little too close for comfort so I'm trying to stay quiet. The good news is the storm surge should spread out over the relatively flat ground. The bad news is the same. It will spread out in remote places where many people would never anticipate flooding.

People forget that damage from wind increases exponentially with the wind velocity. This is a very dangerous storm.

Today I saw electric crews headed east toward the storm area. Help is on the way.
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Old 10-09-2018, 10:26 PM   #49
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This storm is a little too close for comfort so I'm trying to stay quiet. The good news is the storm surge should spread out over the relatively flat ground. The bad news is the same. It will spread out in remote places where many people would never anticipate flooding.

People forget that damage from wind increases exponentially with the wind velocity. This is a very dangerous storm.

Today I saw electric crews headed east toward the storm area. Help is on the way.
On news tonight, they predict a cat 4 hit. Eventually the storm will sort of impact us here in SE Virginia. I need to fold up my bimini top. We will be getting 4 to 6 inches of rain and winds of 50 mph as it exits the coast, so widespread power outages. I need to get some gas for the gennie.
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Arte Johnson tricycle??? That put me in the Wayback Machine.
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Arte Johnson tricycle??? That put me in the Wayback Machine.
We love watching old shows like laugh in which were long before our time and find them still funny. Reminds me, haven't run across Groucho lately, maybe RTF knows where some of his shows are playing.
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In my advanced age, I've become much more attentive on placing feet, particularly on stairs, curbs, and speed bumps. Heaven help me if I needed to move to/from a flybridge in a hurry.
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0825: news report, up to 12 ft storm surge.
Hmmmm, stay on board and adjust the lines or leave the boat and have the lines pull the boat under.
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Old 10-10-2018, 07:24 AM   #54
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I've decided to shift my annual lift from spring to around Labor day after Florence this year, going through this fire drill every year is getting old. Space is at a premium, and you have to make the call three days out as the yard has preps to make. Will drop it once the weather breaks.In the spring I can roll when I want.
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Micheal gets worse! As it's hitting landfall, 145 mph and increasing.

I feel for all the folks in it's path, won't be easy. Be safe first, and protect your toys second.

As for boats, I'm in the camp of not trying to out run a storm. First, boats are super slow and second, storms can change direction... just too much risk unless you have a slam dunk plan.

Hauling could be the best, but often hard to on land high enough and fighting the crowd to get in line and pay the big bucks. I'll take a good hole or cove where I could set out very long springs to a solid foundation... also hard to find. Marinas have their risk unless really well built.

No perfect solution.
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Micheal gets worse! As it's hitting landfall, 145 mph and increasing.

I feel for all the folks in it's path, won't be easy. Be safe first, and protect your toys second.

As for boats, I'm in the camp of not trying to out run a storm. First, boats are super slow and second, storms can change direction... just too much risk unless you have a slam dunk plan.

Hauling could be the best, but often hard to on land high enough and fighting the crowd to get in line and pay the big bucks. I'll take a good hole or cove where I could set out very long springs to a solid foundation... also hard to find. Marinas have their risk unless really well built.

No perfect solution.

Agreed! I am watching the storm surge in St. Petersburg closely and reflecting on what would do if my boat was berthed somewhere in the Florida pan handle--very difficult situation. I watched Irma and others before change paths and folks forget the size of a hurricane. At 6 knots, I am not going far unless I am able to leave many days in advance--family, work obligations, and the house make this challenging.



My best wishes to everyone in Michael's path.
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Weather channel live online, I am watching without any logins.
Just said steady winds exceeding 150 mph and may increase some more.
https://weather.com/tv/the-weather-c...r-channel-live
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Weather channel live online, I am watching without any logins.
Just said steady winds exceeding 150 mph and may increase some more.
https://weather.com/tv/the-weather-c...r-channel-live
For anyone without Weather Channel since they are on so few streaming services, you can watch them on firstonetv.net also.
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These photos and videos are the only images I have seen from when the storm hit the panhandle. Local media stations here in St. Petersburg have been showing these:



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