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Old 05-23-2017, 10:11 AM   #4161
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Lighten up Eric, just because its not interesting to you, doesn't mean its not to others. I think the Apple island IS interesting...and I've seen some of the others built on that hull.
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Old 05-23-2017, 10:52 AM   #4162
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Re: Apple Island boat. I happen to know the builder. His business specialized in the building and refurbishing of commercial fishing vessels. He was approached by the first buyer to build a recreational vessel based on a proven commercial design. As I recall, in conversation with Wade Goulden (owner of Apple Island), interior finish was chosen by the original buyer and was secondary to the ability to cruise for distance in less than ideal sea conditions. Wade was a commercial fisherman for 25+ years and I expect he DID have some appreciation for the design, beam aside.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:14 PM   #4163
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HaHa Sailor of Fortune the boats in you're avatar look similar to the Apple. And if I lightened up I'd sound like a politician.

Many commercial boats should NOT be emulated. Some evolve into bad design as a result of a law. Like the Bristol Bay boats in Alaska that are/were limited to 30'. Serious gross atrocities resulted. Don't assume that because fishermen or commercial guys do or use this or that it's golden. Consider that fishermen use anchors that we pleasure boaters consider poor or worse.
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Old 05-23-2017, 12:36 PM   #4164
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... Consider that fishermen use anchors that we pleasure boaters consider poor or worse.
Little doubt fishermen consider cost versus benefit.

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Old 05-23-2017, 01:42 PM   #4165
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Maybe you're right. I just thought at only 45 ft. and a catamaran-like 22 ft. beam was pretty amazing for a recreational trawler. I suppose I've always found "big" to be interesting, though when I think about it, no more interesting than any other unusual combo thrown together.
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Old 05-23-2017, 03:08 PM   #4166
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This is the first one of these I've ever seen for sale.
Beam is 15 ft and no fly bridge.
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Old 05-23-2017, 05:38 PM   #4167
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HaHa Sailor of Fortune the boats in you're avatar look similar to the Apple. And if I lightened up I'd sound like a politician.

Many commercial boats should NOT be emulated. Some evolve into bad design as a result of a law. Like the Bristol Bay boats in Alaska that are/were limited to 30'. Serious gross atrocities resulted. Don't assume that because fishermen or commercial guys do or use this or that it's golden. Consider that fishermen use anchors that we pleasure boaters consider poor or worse.
I find this boat interesting because of the extreme LOA/Beam. Doesn't mean I like or agree/disagree with it. I wouldn't want that beam, but I do find it interesting. I certainly was not making a case for, or against it or other commercial boats. I tend to like commercial workboats and conversions but don't think all are worthy .
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Old 05-23-2017, 06:02 PM   #4168
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It looks like the Ranger 27 went from 200hp inboard Volvo to a 300 hp outboard Yamaha

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Old 05-23-2017, 07:37 PM   #4169
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Some say it's a trawler.
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:25 PM   #4170
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I'm kind of curious why they switched to an outboard, and why they felt the need to add 50% more horsepower. I suppose its probably still economical at 8-10 knots.... it just seems like a strange direction .....is a 300hp outboard less expensive than a 200hp diesel inboard ? ...or if it was about saving money I'd think an inboard gasser would have been cheaper....I just don't get it.
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:31 PM   #4171
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No,
It's a full planing hull and if not made too heavy should be as good as the old SeaRays or Bayliners. Like most cruisers they have excellent space usage. And they all are nice looking or cute if you prefer.
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Old 05-23-2017, 08:46 PM   #4172
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Little doubt fishermen consider cost versus benefit.

Mark,
Good point. The fishermen would almost all prefer to have a Forfjord but most can't afford them and your cost connection applies. It also applies to pleasure boats. I like them (Claws) but not their tendency to break out vertically. I think it's related to the angle of the shank to the fluke. Too much throat angle. I've seen Danforths that have too much throat angle. They pop up their rear ends (the aft end where the stock is) up and out of the seabed. Breaking out. With less throat angle they may not do that. Some Claws have less throat angle than others.

I like these Northills. Especially the stocks. They are oriented to present a V shaped concave surface to the seabed once a fluke is buried. Could have more holding power than most home made Northills. The genuine Northills have a concave stock but it's U shaped as it's basically a channel.
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Old 05-23-2017, 09:19 PM   #4173
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I think if you check that boat and the rigging you'll find those anchors are for holding
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It's a full planing hull and if not made too heavy should be as good as the old SeaRays or Bayliners. Like most cruisers they have excellent space usage. And they all are nice looking or cute if you prefer.

Maybe the outboard gives them a little more interior space? Is it cheaper to maintain an outboard?

Ranger Tug owners seem to be ridiculously happy with their little boats. The boats are well laid out and seem comfortable. They can go fast which makes it nice for quick weekends and yet I have seen plenty of them venturing far afield, often in a group. Being trailerable is an added bonus but I don't know how many actually are. If one happened to have a decent sized pick-up and good place to park it, you could potentially save a ton of money in moorage.

Personally if I was going smaller and "cute" I would opt for a NT26 or 32.
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Ranger Tug 27 = 7000 pounds & $185k
Nordic Tug 34 = 15,000 pounds & $420k

I wouldn't think of them in the same category or as direct competitors.
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Benthic2,
That's not apples and oranges. That's potatoes and watermelons.
So yes not similar at all.
Like your skiff. What is it? An interesting boat?

Dave,
Can't relate to your calling a NT 32 cute. A very serious boat IMO.

Ted wrote;
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nets in place"
Indeed .. it appears very cheap kedges are usually used. Does your experience reflect that?
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You are right, but I never look at new boats anyway. NT26 and NT32 are old boats at this point and can be had at a reasonable price. Very different boats, but if I was to go smaller and cuter, it would be an older NT.
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Old 05-23-2017, 11:10 PM   #4178
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That is a 16' Sturdee Amesbury Dory. Great little boat. That picture is in the Annisquam river section of Gloucester, MA

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Old 05-23-2017, 11:24 PM   #4179
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I'm kind of curious why they switched to an outboard, and why they felt the need to add 50% more horsepower. I suppose its probably still economical at 8-10 knots.... it just seems like a strange direction .....is a 300hp outboard less expensive than a 200hp diesel inboard ? ...or if it was about saving money I'd think an inboard gasser would have been cheaper....I just don't get it.
Think about cooling an outboard versus an inboard. No brainier for me in this configuration, give me the outboard and life just got vastly simpler and the interior vastly more spacious, safe, and clean. That extra 100 ponies was likely free at original cost of either.
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Here's my favourite trailerable 'trawler'...the Caledon 27:

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