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Old 10-10-2018, 06:41 PM   #21
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Not easy to run into a buoy in a narrow channel (unless you have 5 guys chugging beers. No fishing poles in sight) The channel is well marked and you really really want to stay in it. Gets shallow quickly close to the dike. 24' Aquasport CC may not draw much but the buoys come quickly at high speed. Not a lot of time for reaction, especially at night.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:14 PM   #22
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I don't like to state the obvious, but I believe the CCC 5MPH speed limit is in force (and often, enforced) all the way through the Hog Island Channel, and the Cleveland Ledge Channel, too. I know small boats outside the channel are usually ignored, but once you stray inside I believe they start to scold you on the radio, and/or send out the goons.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:36 PM   #23
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Professional die in the daytime too....being professional and being "A" professional are 2 different things.

One more tme at anything doesn't do you in, complacency does and thats where professionalism or keen captaining for rec guys comes in.
Except you of course. I’m talking about everyone else, the people who do make mistakes. You obviously don’t ever fall into that category.
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Old 10-10-2018, 08:42 PM   #24
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Speed/Excessive Wake
A 10 MPH speed limit and “no excessive wake”
is in effect for Cleveland Ledge and Hog Island
channels and the land cut of the Cape Cod
Canal.

This is what I found when I looked the speed limit up. It also looks like the channel is about 500 feet wide there.
They were not doing 10 MPH when they hit. Speed and most likely booze, not good at night.
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Old 10-11-2018, 08:41 AM   #25
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Speed/Excessive Wake
A 10 MPH speed limit and “no excessive wake”
is in effect for Cleveland Ledge and Hog Island
channels and the land cut of the Cape Cod
Canal.
Right, 10 MPH. I knew that. D'oh!

Thanks for keeping me honest!
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Old 10-11-2018, 09:55 AM   #26
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Except you of course. I’m talking about everyone else, the people who do make mistakes. You obviously don’t ever fall into that category.
I make mistakes that hopefully I correct before they become big problems.

That's what I was always taught and tried to adhere to.

Flying a helo around at sea level at night, at 60 plus knots, no radar or gps makes running a boat at 25 knots with gps and radar seem pretty easy.

When it comes to running a boat at night, I am both highly trained and experienced, so please don't make your limitations mine. It's what I did well, not much else though so take it easy.
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Old 10-11-2018, 10:25 AM   #27
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Isn`t it more likely the buoy unshackled itself, doused its light,and moved into the channel; post collision returning to original position and reactivating the light.If so the boat operator could be blameless,save for not checking radar if fitted.
AH HAH! Of course. It seems so obvious now. Thank you, Captain Clouseau.
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Old 10-11-2018, 12:58 PM   #28
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I've been trying to follow this story in hopes of hearing from someone on the boat but none of the reports have included that. I wonder if its lazy journalism, or the boaters aren't talking.
Hence my statement earlier. There are only three parties here to make public statements.

1) The boat owner (Firechief)
2) The vessel passengers (fire chiefs friends)
3) Leo's on the scene at the time of the accident

The press doesn't publish/broadcast follow-up articles when there are no statements or new news being made public. I assume this is the last you will hear of this story.
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Old 10-11-2018, 01:51 PM   #29
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Hence my statement earlier. There are only three parties here to make public statements.

1) The boat owner (Firechief)
2) The vessel passengers (fire chiefs friends)
3) Leo's on the scene at the time of the accident

The press doesn't publish/broadcast follow-up articles when there are no statements or new news being made public. I assume this is the last you will hear of this story.
4, In a small town, it’s always who you know. One local paper did post a photo of the Chief in full dress uniform.
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Old 10-11-2018, 03:02 PM   #30
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This is one of the reasons I run radar almost all the time. On 1 mile range running at 7 knots, you will see the target for 7+ minutes. So the periodic glace every minute or so reveals a target up ahead.

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Complacency and boating

Back in my Navy days I was counsel to an admiral investigating the grounding of an aircraft carrier in a northern harbor following a six month yard period. Turns out the crew was so accustomed to going in and out of one particular port (almost daily) that they had actually forgotten how to take the ranges and bearings necessary to safely navigate a large ship through unfamiliar waters (the was many years before the advent of GPS). The damage was not a pretty sight! Neither the captain, the XO, the navigator or the training officer survived the "hit" to their careers.

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Your 100% correct: “One more tme at anything doesn't do you in, complacency does”. COMPLACENCY is key, doing something over and over allows one to become complacent.
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Hard to tell in the Cape Cod Times photo, but it looks like there is no radar on board.
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Old 10-15-2018, 06:17 PM   #33
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The trick with high speed ops at night is to realize you are rolling the dice no matter how good you think you are.
Bingo. You 100% dead on nailed it.
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Old 10-15-2018, 06:57 PM   #34
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I do some training of LEOs and when an experienced screws up it is usually something he has done hundreds of times and complacency had him forget his correct procedure. Very sad.
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He did have radar. Here's a screen shot from a local news video.

Website for video: https://whdh.com/news/wareham-police...oat-crashes-3/
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