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Old 05-26-2017, 07:06 AM   #21
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Your spot on. I waited for days to get the right weather to go for a sea trial, and will again.
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Old 05-27-2017, 12:27 AM   #22
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So I am just back from the Sanctuary Cove boat show in QLD and share my high/low/best thoughts below. Its just my opinion to share with TF members, for what it is worth. I stand to be corrected (I am often wrong).

Really high. The new GB60 is a stunning boat - absolutely the best fit and finish available to buy IMHO. And no doubt the price will reflect that, but WOW! Guys, the way that boat is put together is basically a class above. It oozes 'quality'. If it is at a boat show near you, go have a look. Once we get past the stunning aesthetics and quality fittings and appliances/hardware, the hull is the same as the Palm Beach 65 and a number of features (such as the bowsprit design and the anchor set up) are all obviously borrowed from PB. The flybridge however is not like a PB flybridge, and all the better for it. It is a new design and looks terrific. I have to say it isnt my cup of tea necessarily, but if we just looked at it through a pure engineering lens it is magnificent. I hope they sell lots of these, good luck to them. I think amongst the TF community there should always be a recognition for top quality marine engineering, I reckon, and this boat is it.

[B]Low[B]. The De Fever 55 LRC. I wanted to like this boat. Really. Deep keel, John Deer engine, pilothouse - it looked from a distance like it could be leading the next generation of trawlers. But - and this is just my opinion - I sadly felt it was an advertisement for cheap Chinese marine engineering. I am not against Chinese per se - see the next paragraph - but this boat had some difficult areas. It was a near new boat, but the the engine room had corrosion issues going on which raised the hairs on the back of my neck, including corrosion on the shaft itself just aft of the transmission. In the cabins bits here and there were already coming loose. My 11 year old GB46 has none of these issues by way of comparison. And the stairway from the pilothouse to the cabins below is non compliant (at least by Australian standards) and a trip hazard. As I say, I really wanted to like this boat. But it appears it is built down to a price, not up to a standard.

The Winner. I am surprised to accord my 'winner' status to (another Chinese built boat) the Marlow 53e. With QSM11s, quality American and European fittings such as Stidd helm seats, Meile appliances, twin Cummins generators, Raymarine suite, chilled water aircon, a hydraulic swim platform and good finishings, for the asking price of AUD $3.2m it is good value here in Australia. It has better fittings than Clipper/Explorer. And it is big - for a 53 - I mean it is BIG. I was surprised. Check it out.

Now I am going off to have a beer!!

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Old 05-27-2017, 01:29 AM   #23
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Yes, that Marlow ticks a lot of boxes.

For A$1.8m I would not be buying the DeFever either. I was also disappointed in it. In addition to your points, it is 37t dry, so over 40t with fuel. This shows in performance - on the run up from Sydney it was about 1 nmpg at a bit over 8 kn. My boat is fairly similar in size and has 2 x 200HP JD's, but is only around 30t with a a large quantity of fuel. I'll almost always get 1.5 nmpg, and down at 8 kn its more likely 1.8 nmpg.

Hamish, I'm over at the Sandhills. Beer o'clock here as well!
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Old 05-27-2017, 03:16 AM   #24
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Sorry guys as a cruiser and Marine Engineer the De fever ticked the boxes for me. Full displacement, large stabiliser fins, plenty of fuel.
The stair case is not standard and the normal set up it is slightly larger and not as steep.
When you are at sea weight in the right proportions is king.
Single engine (, hydraulic anchor windlass , not grossly over powered) hydraulic bow and stern thrusters all pluses. The present owner did not want the bunk in the pilot house and that should be remedied. That for me was a boat I would go to sea in.
The GB 50 is a glorified day boat and not designed to spend time at sea.
So you see everyone has different opinions.
I did like the Marlow 54, best use of space I have seen in a boat for ages, but still semi displacement and twin engines with much HP.
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Old 05-27-2017, 05:17 AM   #25
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Thanks BH

I'm looking at the Marlow presently 53 or 58.

I hope GB improved the quality of their metal. I have a 2015 GB the Hayes pipes look like a rusted clunker car in SA. Shameful. No polish keeps them looking like SS should.
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I'm looking at the Marlow presently 53 or 58.

I hope GB improved the quality of their metal. I have a 2015 GB the Hayes pipes look like a rusted clunker car in SA. Shameful. No polish keeps them looking like SS should.
Isn't the different stainless steel quality used by manufacturers amazing?
We had an Edson steering wheel on our sailboat that could not be kept polished.
No matter what we did, it would begin rusting as soon as it saw even as little as some rain...
I finally purchased a Lewmar wheel to replace it, problem solved!
One of the first things I noticed about American Tug's was their stainless. It is simply beautiful.
Our Sabre sailboat took years of polish before we got the stainless to stop rusting. At least that finally polished up...
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Old 05-27-2017, 06:35 AM   #27
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Not having a stand up engine room is a 60 foot (trawler) leaves me less than enthused.
The GB 60 is not a trawler nor being marketed as one. Nice boat though but there is competition in this class of vessel. I like many things about the Sabres, a very proven builder in NA.
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Old 05-27-2017, 08:38 AM   #28
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The 60 was presented a year or so ago as the new trawler, in any event I want a stand up engine room. ��

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I agree. My previous boat was custom and chose Swedish SS, never ever had any rust. If I could find a guy to make new Hayes pipes out of that Swedish SS it would be a fine deal.
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The 60 was presented a year or so ago as the new trawler, in any event I want a stand up engine room.
With twin 900 HP diesels and a 30+ knot cruising speed it is anything but a trawler. But, it is a nice boat. Competing head on and or replacing another GB non trawler - East Bay it would seem. BTW, +$3M.
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Old 05-27-2017, 09:55 AM   #30
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It is a Palm Beach through and through, taken to it's next level. The reality is that the company is now all of the Palm Beach mindset and the argument for the acquisition of Palm Beach and the current direction of the company is that Palm Beach was having success and Grand Banks was floundering miserably. So, Grand Banks was turned over to Mark Richards to build upon the ideas of Palm Beach.

I have not been on one but think it could fill a huge marketplace void. Today's version of yesteryear's GB buyer is out there and having a hard time finding a boat. We searched and researched at great length in the 60' range. Now, in our case, we wanted something like the Aleutian 65 but with more speed. This could be it.

My one reservation would be Grand Banks now has to prove they can consistently deliver quality and they can service and support the boats they sell. New boat, new company in many ways. Also, will be interesting to see how it performs in rough seas.
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BandB is correct. It was to replace the Aleutians and the GB 54 Europa and that is how it was pitched to me. I didn't want either of those because of the draw although the 54 I could live with. Both have stand up engine rooms and are fast for those who only believe a trawler can travel at hull speed.
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Old 05-27-2017, 10:23 AM   #32
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BTW. I believe the owners of GB brought in Mark Richards after his success with a Palm Beach to save a failing company.

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BTW. I believe the owners of GB brought in Mark Richards after his success with a Palm Beach to save a failing company.

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100%. Plus there was an upside for Palm Beach also which could be maximized as Palm Beach needed the production capacity plus could benefit from some production efficiency moves. Mark couldn't expand Palm Beach without somewhere to build more boats.
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And let's not forget the friendship of Richards and the owners of GB. Hopefully it will work out for the best.
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And let's not forget the friendship of Richards and the owners of GB. Hopefully it will work out for the best.
The largest owners of GB, The Genting Group family (Exa Limited 25%), was also very determined to maintain them as a Malaysian employer, a Singapore listed company. They had rejected a very attractive offer for the company years earlier, which actually led to the termination of Livingston, who remains a 15% owner. They have huge investments in Malaysia and Singapore and relationships and image to maintain and felt a sense of loyalty to the people of Malaysia. Other purchasers of Grand Banks would have likely moved the manufacturing operations. Many of the institutional and other investors are in Singapore as well.

The deal with Richards was a huge gamble, but they were in a position they had to gamble as continuing to run the company the way it had been run wasn't going to get them anywhere. Value was declining yearly. The sales and production of Palm Beach boats has saved them and held them together while developing a new concept for Grand Banks.
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Old 05-27-2017, 01:51 PM   #36
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Bruce is/was a friend of mine and built my current boat, I really like Bruce, a no BS type of guy. If he could accommodate you he would, I wanted a hard top on my boat and was told it couldn't be done, a short talk with Bruce and it was done (plus a bunch of other stuff). Yes I paid for the mold for the hard top for the 40 - 46. LOL
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I haven't looked at this thread as I have no interest in 60' boats. But I'm glad I did. She's a beauty. The most amazing thing about her is the narrow entry. Don't think I've seen a GB before w a narrow entry. Not just a bit but as the Brits say "quite". Reminds me of the Mathews boats of the 50's. A complete departure from other GB boats. The proportions (and lines too) hark of much older boats .. perhaps even the 50's.

I hope it sticks. Wouldn't on smaller boats. People think size is the OAL not realizing size is volume not length. Buyers of 60' boats may be more objective. And a plus for GB is that a low and slim boat requires less materials to build. So in the marketplace they may have the most elegant 60' boat and perhaps at a good price too.

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Isn't the different stainless steel quality used by manufacturers amazing?

We had an Edson steering wheel on our sailboat that could not be kept polished.

No matter what we did, it would begin rusting as soon as it saw even as little as some rain...

I finally purchased a Lewmar wheel to replace it, problem solved!

Interesting Bruce. I have twins Edison's on my sailboat. They are 12 years old and have spent the last 7 years out in the PNW weather. I will get an occasional rust spot. It only if I neglect my twice yearly wipe with a Miracle cloth.
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Interesting Bruce. I have twins Edison's on my sailboat. They are 12 years old and have spent the last 7 years out in the PNW weather. I will get an occasional rust spot. It only if I neglect my twice yearly wipe with a Miracle cloth.
We're yours the older 6 spoke design? Those were built here in the USA and were fine. They are also identified by the non-tapered hub Edson used to use. When Edson switched to the 5 spoke, tapered hub style pedestal, they took production to...China! They admitted to having lots of issues with stainless with these wheels. Ours was simply awful! No matter how many times it was polished or with what, it rusted as soon as it was exposed to water. Edson even swapped the wheel after 1 season for a new one. We waxed it, we machine polished it and tried every miracle coating I could find...in the end I sold it. Problem solved!
It was no better that the original. I was so disappointed that I thought about asking for different wheels for our new Tug as these too are supplied by Edson. So far, they have shown no sign of the rusting that our sailboat wheel suffered.
If they do, I'm sure Lewmar makes a replacement though...
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I wish hawse pipes were as easy to find. LOL
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