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Old 04-23-2020, 02:16 PM   #21
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Our boat is set like others - keys on the lower, so have to crank downstairs, but that is ok so i can hear how the engines sound. Can shut down from FB but the loud buzzers will keep buzzing unless I Go down and turn the keys off. But would love to be able to shut down from FB and re-crank. In the South we can keep engines running in locks, but I have heard that on the Erie and in Canada you have to shut engines off in the locks - will be a real PIA. We will be doing the LOOP soon.
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Old 04-23-2020, 02:42 PM   #22
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adapt into current setup. Substitute word light's for power to starter button. You will need to run 3 wires from lower to upper. two will be travelers and third will return power to lower start from middle connection which also feeds upper start. The power input at lower can still be from an on/off switch
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Old 04-23-2020, 06:50 PM   #23
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Our boat is set like others - keys on the lower, so have to crank downstairs, but that is ok so i can hear how the engines sound. Can shut down from FB but the loud buzzers will keep buzzing unless I Go down and turn the keys off. But would love to be able to shut down from FB and re-crank. In the South we can keep engines running in locks, but I have heard that on the Erie and in Canada you have to shut engines off in the locks - will be a real PIA. We will be doing the LOOP soon.
Why do you believe it will be a PITA?
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Old 04-23-2020, 07:26 PM   #24
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1986 marine trader here. Same deal. Turn key in salon.
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Old 04-23-2020, 08:02 PM   #25
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Only a PITA if you run from the fly bridge. Locks here (Trent-Severn/Rideau Canal) require engines off once in the lock. Stop engines from bridge and alarm buzzers sound until key is switched off, so, shut down engines from bridge, do you go down to catch lock line or first go to lower helm and turn off key to silence buzzer then try to catch lock line.
Not an issue if locks don’t require engine shutdown such as Illinois or Ohio or Tenn-Tom.

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Old 04-23-2020, 08:03 PM   #26
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Thank goodness I've only one bridge and don't need to concern myself with this issue.
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Old 04-23-2020, 09:20 PM   #27
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Only a PITA if you run from the fly bridge. Locks here (Trent-Severn/Rideau Canal) require engines off once in the lock. Stop engines from bridge and alarm buzzers sound until key is switched off, so, shut down engines from bridge, do you go down to catch lock line or first go to lower helm and turn off key to silence buzzer then try to catch lock line.
Not an issue if locks don’t require engine shutdown such as Illinois or Ohio or Tenn-Tom.

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No, you first secure your boat with all lines. Once completed go into the PH and shut down the engines.

No lock tender is going to stand there and shout at you once a line is grabbed - "hey shut those effing engines off!"

Jeez.

Just for info, I have to lock out every time I leave my dock and lock in to get back.
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Old 04-24-2020, 05:41 AM   #28
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My 1985 Marine Trader has key at lower helm only. Shortly after I bought the boat, I found out that the upper helm start and stop switch didn't work. I learned this after my engine stalled coming into the dock and pushing the start button had no effect. I would recommend that everyone with upper helm switches verify their proper operation, this may save you from some tense moments docking one day, or worse. If you have switches that don't work, I suspect that they have failed, not just not connected.
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I don’t have a key switch at the lower helm, I have a switch and then I have one start and one stop. On the flybridge the only thing I have is one start push button and one stop push button
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I don’t have a key switch at the lower helm, I have a switch and then I have one start and one stop. On the flybridge the only thing I have is one start push button and one stop push button
Same as our GB 36. Except the bridge buttons don’t function.
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Old 04-24-2020, 11:12 AM   #31
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Same as our GB 36. Except the bridge buttons don’t function.
You might want to get them working
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Why do you believe it will be a PITA?
We run from the FB 100% of the time, so would have to go downstairs to turn the keys(and buzzers) off. FB is now fully enclosed. Might not turn out to be a big deal - we've been through 24 locks on the Tenn-Tom and TN river, but have never shut down in a lock - yet.
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Start up or down. No keys.
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Parallel Bridge Switch

The easiest way to do this is to run a wire from one side of the main switch in the house to one side of a new switch on the bridge. Run another wire from the other side of the house switch to the bridge switch. This creates a parallel circuit. Either switch on will activate the circuit. But you can only turn off the circuit at the one which activated it.
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It sounds like a common problem, I also have a master, start, and stop switch at the LH. The FB only has a start, and stop switch with no master. In the northeast we have a lot of canals, shutting the engine off while sitting in a lock in normal practice. The problem using the stop button from the bridge is it leaves all the engine alarms live. I have to have my wonderful deck hand step into the LH to operate the master during locking operations. Needless to say its a pain at times.
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We run from the FB 100% of the time, so would have to go downstairs to turn the keys(and buzzers) off. FB is now fully enclosed. Might not turn out to be a big deal - we've been through 24 locks on the Tenn-Tom and TN river, but have never shut down in a lock - yet.
We run only from the bridge and also have an enclosure and running the Erie and Canadian locks were never a problem or a PIA. You will quickly develop a procedure and it will become natural in no time.
There are other things more important things to worry about.
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Same as RickyD
My Hi-Star has Keys and Independent start and stop buttons both on the helm and fly bridge and work great independently of each other. I live on board and her keys are kept secured in a safe so when I’m away for any length of time she won’t be going anywhere.
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It sounds like a common problem, I also have a master, start, and stop switch at the LH. The FB only has a start, and stop switch with no master. In the northeast we have a lot of canals, shutting the engine off while sitting in a lock in normal practice. The problem using the stop button from the bridge is it leaves all the engine alarms live. I have to have my wonderful deck hand step into the LH to operate the master during locking operations. Needless to say its a pain at times.
Anything special that you have to do to get the FB buttons to operate? Mine are there but neither start nor stop work.
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start and stop

Nothing special should be required to make them work. Yours must be disconnected.

I might add to my earlier post suggesting setting up a f/b switch wired in parallel to the house switch. If you do this you should add a fuse in line to the upper switch because if activated from the f/b switch you will be doing so without the circuit breaker on the lower panel.
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Just a comment for those who idle their boats once secured to the dock for "cool down". Unless you come into the marina rather hot (going fast or higher RPM), the slow rpm (usually below 1000 rpm) used to enter the marina and the time to secure the lines is all the cool down needed. Your dockmates will appreciate you shutting down soon after docking and the added idle time is not really needed
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