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10-30-2017, 04:55 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cardude01
Surfer was a 13 year old kid! Wow. That's was an awesome rescue by that kid. He understood the break and the currents and knew the boater would have trouble near the jetty.
I always got nervous surfing next to jetties. Currents. Fishermen throwing hooks near me. Big toothy fish. Etc.  |
I don't surf. I don't like falling.
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10-30-2017, 05:14 PM
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City: Aventura FL
Vessel Name: Kinja
Vessel Model: American Tug 34 #116
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The Stuart cut aint no ride in the park either.
Come to think of it, maybe there is no "ride in the park" cut.
The Haul Over cut, coming in, once under the bridge, get close to the shore but, not too close.
So far, I have been lucky.
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10-30-2017, 05:14 PM
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City: New York
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Wow, that was one quick sinking..
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10-30-2017, 05:17 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Genecop
Wow, that was one quick sinking..
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That was a boat well on it's way to sinking before the wave. A boat with no other issues and no head start would not go down that fast.
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10-30-2017, 05:24 PM
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City: Bay Saint Louis, Mississippi, (or where the anchor drops)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by OldDan1943
The Stuart cut aint no ride in the park either.
Come to think of it, maybe there is no "ride in the park" cut.
The Haul Over cut, coming in, once under the bridge, get close to the shore but, not too close.
So far, I have been lucky.
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We had a wild ride coming into Haulover one day in a 32 foot deep vee. We came off a wave and there was nothing but alr under us. It felt like we had been dropped on concrete when we hit.
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10-30-2017, 05:36 PM
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City: Aventura FL
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Group9
We had a wild ride coming into Haulover one day in a 32 foot deep vee. We came off a wave and there was nothing but alr under us. It felt like we had been dropped on concrete when we hit.
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I hope to never experience that. I would have to clean my shorts.
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10-30-2017, 06:06 PM
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City: North Carolina for now
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Quote:
Originally Posted by psneeld
Yeah me too.....maybe 1 out of every 100 breaking inlet runs have I ever been able to do that.
Maybe west coast inlets with pacific rollers, but short steep east coast breaking inlets rarely cooperate like the text book says.
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Nope.I've had the privilege of going through most of the class A and B inlets on both coasts, and I do consider it a privilege. Ebb against an opposing wind is a problem to be avoided wherever and whenever it arises. Even on Class A inlets like the Golden Gate or Beaufort NC. I never have gone through Jupiter, it was a no fly zone to me unless conditions were perfect.
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10-30-2017, 06:32 PM
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City: San Diego
Vessel Model: Helmsman 4304
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Lots of CC boats out there. Parker is a popular brand in SoCal waters and people take them out in very rough conditions. Looks to me to be a different animal than the boat in video, even if that boat was riding low to begin with.
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10-30-2017, 06:45 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Contender 22 which is fairly typical.
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10-30-2017, 06:46 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Someone mentioned $50k in fines. I don't know if that's true or not. Am I the only one who has even considered the possibility it might have been intentional?
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10-30-2017, 07:01 PM
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City: Boston Area
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The above pictured center consoles are outboards, which give you the ability to trim up the bow with the motor....the boat that sank was an inboard so he didn't have that option.
It looks like his boat was just caught as the wave behind him caught up to the wave in front of him, and if those large boxes in his boat were full of ice/fish, that would be a lot of weight up front.
Shamrock is the only inboard CC that I'm aware of......are there any others ??
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10-30-2017, 07:19 PM
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City: North Carolina for now
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Inboard boats use trim tabs. With the tabs all the way up, planing boats will tend to go bow up at all but idle speeds.
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10-30-2017, 07:30 PM
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City: La Conner, WA
Vessel Name: Imagine
Vessel Model: Farrell 34
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cafesport
Jupiter can be a dangerous inlet. In 2010 a garlington 47 sport fish named water dog lost her very experienced owner/captain on a 4' day. (Boat righted itself Capt fell out of the fly ridge and broke his neck).This fellow looks to be on the green side which is where the shallowest water is and where the surfers like to catch the waves on ebb tides. This also looks like it was an ebb tide against a nw wind and a SW swell. Because of the shallowing depth and ebb tidal flow the waves slow down and get closer together as they jack up in height. When this happens you need to constantly adjust speed, slow and fast as well as course to avoid a broach just like a surfer. Clearly this didn't happen. The wave he was on looks like it collapsed into a slower possibly standing one in front of it causing his bow to pearl which caused an immediate broach and rollover. Nothing to do but swim at that point.
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Cafe, I think your evaluation is spot-on, thanks. I noticed the ebb tide on 3rd view of the vid. You are absolutely right about the waves getting closer together at the shallowest part of the bar. I have seen that on a couple of runs over bars on the coastal estuaries here in Oregon. Happens real fast, got to be on your A-game.
But the scariest memory ever was seeing stirred up sand bottom down through the water on a crossing of the Columbia river bar, will never forget that one!
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10-30-2017, 07:40 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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I don't know of a 22' inboard center console being built today so don't know what that boat is. I know there have been some and Sarasota may build one but it has a much deeper bow too. I still can't imagine one riding like it was without serious other issues.
There's a part of the story not known and we may never know. If it's insured, they may figure it out, or may decide not worth much work on it.
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10-30-2017, 07:41 PM
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Next issue will be someone getting hired and paid to salvage it.
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10-30-2017, 07:53 PM
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City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
Vessel Model: Grand Alaskan 53
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I believe it was a Shamrock.
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10-30-2017, 08:17 PM
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#57
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City: Fort Lauderdale. Florida, USA
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Quote:
Originally Posted by menzies
I believe it was a Shamrock.
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Well, here's the Shamrock 22.
Just look at how far down in the water it was already.
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10-30-2017, 09:14 PM
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#58
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City: Jacksonville
Vessel Name: SONAS
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BandB
Well, here's the Shamrock 22.
Attachment 69874
Just look at how far down in the water it was already. |
Yep, makes you wonder what he had in those additional coolers! Including a big one up front.
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10-30-2017, 09:53 PM
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City: Boston Area
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I guess the trick is to not find yourself in that position..... I'm thinking if he slowed down...the wave behind him would lift his stern further....if she sped up, he'd drive the bow into the wave....if you turn, you could get rolled..... I think his fate was sealed before the video even started
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10-30-2017, 09:53 PM
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#60
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City: New Orleans
Vessel Name: Scot Free
Vessel Model: Cheoy Lee 53' Efficient
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I inherited two Shamrocks with a business I bought. I really disliked driving them. They had the small gas engines and small rudders. I found them slow and unresponsive and had sold both of them before a year had passed. They both were slow to get back on the step if you let the boat come off the plane. I'm sure they have larger engine versions which I know nothing about.
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