What a great thread. We've strayed from big engines vs small, FD hulls vs SD vs planing hulls, what whales eat, who likes to go fast vs who doesn't. That's just a part of the reason why I like TF.
Carry on, fellow boaters!
Well then, how do you feel about the word "gay"? The definition of that word has changed significantly during our lifetime.
Ted (OC Diver)--- I am well aware of the"definitions" of the term "trawler" as applied to recreational boats on Wikipedia and other places. This doesn't make this use of the term correct. It simply shows us where all those kids who flunked English in school ended up working.
Good on you Marin,
While I generally hold to the principles of brevity, wit etc., I've got to say that I'm really enjoying your special brand of pedantic proxility being exercised on this thread.
Keep it going!
cheers,
Well then, how do you feel about the word "gay"? The definition of that word has changed significantly during our lifetime.
Language is dynamic.
Ted (OC Diver)--- I am well aware of the"definitions" of the term "trawler" as applied to recreational boats on Wikipedia and other places. This doesn't make this use of the term correct. It simply shows us where all those kids who flunked English in school ended up working.
If the the phrase "Recreational Trawler" or "Trawler Yacht" is correctly attributed to the founder of Kadey Krogan, it's probably unlikely that he failed English and clearly did very well for himself.
Ted
I'm with you on this, but why is your picture on the trawler forum a sailboat??
Well, we don 't know that he didn't fail English. Just because he was a good boat designer doesn't automatically mean he had a good command of the language.
More likely he'd already fallen for the bogus scam of attaching a term that defines a commercial fishing boat to a recreational boat in an attempt to buff up the image of the recreational boat. Or perhaps he helped create the scam in the first place.
As to doing well for himself, I know of a former Yugo dealer who became a multi-millionaire passing Yugos off as being "just as good as a Ford or Chevy" to an initially unsuspecting public.
I'm not saying a Krogen is a bad boat. I'm saying it's not a "trawler" by any stretch of the imagination except apparently in Mr. Krogen's who I would have thought would have known better.
And if Krogen actually is the one responsible for attaching the name "trawler" to a boat that isn't one, well, then shame on him for misleading the boat-buying public.
Well, we don 't know that he didn't fail English. Just because he was a good boat designer doesn't automatically mean he had a good command of the language.
More likely he'd already fallen for the bogus scam of attaching a term that defines a commercial fishing boat to a recreational boat in an attempt to buff up the image of the recreational boat. Or perhaps he helped create the scam in the first place.
As to doing well for himself, I know of a former Yugo dealer who became a multi-millionaire passing Yugos off as being "just as good as a Ford or Chevy" to an initially unsuspecting public.
I'm not saying a Krogen is a bad boat. I'm saying it's not a "trawler" by any stretch of the imagination except apparently in Mr. Krogen's who I would have thought would have known better.
And if Krogen actually is the one responsible for attaching the name "trawler" to a boat that isn't one, well, then shame on him for misleading the boat-buying public.
Wifey B: Shame on Ford too....they lied and misled. Look at the bazillions of poor victims who thought when they bought a Mustang they were getting a horse.
But then I remember the lady who said she had no use for a stupid cell phone, because she wasn't in jail and didn't plan to go.
Now, Spam should certainly sue that their long built reputable name has been corrupted into unsolicited email.
............ to make an inexpensive pleasure boat aka cabin cruiser appear to be more rugged and "tough" than it really was by sticking the name of a commercial fishing vessel on it in the hopes that the toy boat crowd would be fooled into thinking they were getting a much more capable, strong, better built boat than they actually were.....
The scam, for those of you who still don't get it, was to make an inexpensive pleasure boat aka cabin cruiser appear to be more rugged and "tough" than it really was by sticking the name of a commercial fishing vessel on it in the hopes that the toy boat crowd would be fooled into thinking they were getting a much more capable, strong, better built boat than they actually were. It's marketing hype pure and simple and the fact that so many people, including most of the people on this forum apparently, bought into it shows how successful the hype was and how gullible the boat-buying public actually is.
The depth of ignorance on the part of the buying public can truly be amazing at times. The fact so many here have bought into the notion that a toy recreational boat is a 'trawler" which is a term describing a method of fishing and the boat used to do it with shows how effective this particular marketing scam really was.
The scam, for those of you who still don't get it, was to make an inexpensive pleasure boat aka cabin cruiser appear to be more rugged and "tough" than it really was by sticking the name of a commercial fishing vessel on it in the hopes that the toy boat crowd would be fooled into thinking they were getting a much more capable, strong, better built boat than they actually were. It's marketing hype pure and simple and the fact that so many people, including most of the people on this forum apparently, bought into it shows how successful the hype was and how gullible the boat-buying public actually is.
Yes, language evolves where it makes sense, but that doesn't mean that every incorrect or ignorant use of a word is automatically correct. It just means the user is ignorant, at least of the language.
The fact the boat manufactures picked "trawler" back in the 70s when all this started, was just a happy accident. They could have picked "troller" or "seiner" or "dragger" or "crabber" and it would have worked just as well. Then you lot would be heartily defending the notion that your boats are "recreational seiners" or "recreational draggers" or, if we apply a more modern commercial fishing term, "recreational combination boats."
It would still be as stupidly wrong, but I'm sure the cabin cruiser crowd would have bought into any of these other fishing boat types as heartily as they bought into "trawler."
There are two things that really annoy me: revisionist history and ignorance of one's language. I don't give a crap what a person wants to call their boat. But using the word "trawler" to describe the kinds of boats everyone on this forum has tells me a hell of a lot more about the owner than it does about the person's boat which these days is as likely to be a SeaRay as a Grand Banks.
Ironically American Marine, whose Grand Banks line of boats became the quintessential example of a "recreational trawler" in the boat-buying public's eyes, never called them that. Grand Banks, Llc does today, of course. They have to as the incorrect use of this term has become so ingrained in the boating world they'd totally confuse their market if they didn't.
The folks at American Marine, however, were clearly paying attention in school during the lessons on nouns and they called their new Grand Banks boats exactly what they are: "Dependable Diesel Cruisers." Meaning, for those of you who have a tough time with all definitions, a boat to go cruising in, not the warship, which of course got its name for the same reason only with guns.