Vaccination passports

[BandB]

Sorry you are incorrect. HIPPA protects the privacy of medical records.

HIPAA applies to any medical information but does not apply to whether you have been vaccinated or not. Only way it would come into play would be if you claimed a medical reason for not being vaccinated and then only to how much information doctor would have to disclose. But it does not protect from disclosure of vaccination.

Similarly, it doesn't protect you from having to disclose if you test positive which would put other employees at risk nor from you being required to test and having to disclose results to your employer.

 

[OldDan1943]

I waiting for mainstream media start interviewing those idiots who maintain, the shots will give you Covid.
By the way, I'll bet all the folks working in the media have had at least one shot and maybe two. After all they are more important than you and me.

 

[psneeld]

Well I am not a medical doctor. Are you?

I trust his judgment over the want to be experts here on TF. Sorry to be blunt, but it is what it is. I will wait to see if the "so called experts" are right over time. For now that expert is my doctor.

I have disagreed with the experts since the beginning of the pandemic on many things and wound up 3-4 months ahead of them when finally they changed positions when absolute, definitive proof and mass consensus forced their hand.



Why?....because I listened to them the first time to what they said...not what was diluted by the media and politicians (sometimes for bigger picture reasons).



I am skeptical of many news reports on everything. But I am not skeptical of research by thousands all around the world that the vaccines work. Like masks, they may not be 100%...but what is in life? Now after months, again around the world are coming in that the vaccines work for what they were designed for...yet not 100%. I have had 2 shots and no side effects. If your doctor says bad for you it is one thing, but to say bad idea based on his opinion...well...it is just that.


I have had dozens of primary doctors throughout life due to lots of moving and moving and post changes for them while in the military. Most said similar things but you had to read between the lines. You are the best judge of general medical things...doctors almost always focus on specifics....often missing the bigger picture.



Do any one of us know the long term effects of the newer vaccines? Nope, but it really isn't new tech and we haven't read any big time articles how it's bad.


Bottom line is...while I may respect a doctors opinion, I would never let one mans opinion sway me from opening my mind to the rest of the world. And that doesn't mean taking anything in writing as gospel...it's being smart enough to read between the lines to see what may be far closer to the truth than what one mind thinks.

 

[catalinajack]

No way a politician should have that right? My goodness, they already do and you already accede to that power. Traveling to certain nations require immunization against certain diseases, yellow fever, for example, so that you do not bring it back with you. Public schools? No vaccination, no school. Your choice not to go to school or travel to certain destinations so you are not being forced to do anything. Assert your liberties as you will. Just don't infect me with your choices.

1) Not even doctors have the right to force a patient into their view of care. There is no way any politician should have that right. And it is equally immoral to use soft force of denying liberties or imposing taxes to softly force it. A choice that is no choice is no choice.

2) Arguments of "the greatest good for the greatest number" is a socialism argument. Nope. Never going to buy that.

3) A rushed technology using new techniques isn't something appealing. When more proven, sure. Maybe.

 

[Fletcher500]

Blah, Blah, Blah...The usual suspects doing their anti Vax, socialism, monologues.

 

[psneeld]

Have heard this same message many times and from around the globe...conspiracy theories and corruption issues are hard to support....


https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/covid-19/hcp/mrna-vaccine-basics.html



Key Points to Share with Your Patients

In addition to the following key messages, you can refer your patients with questions to CDC’s COVID-19 mRNA vaccine webpage.

• Like all vaccines, COVID-19 mRNA vaccines have been rigorously tested for safety before being authorized for use in the United States.
• mRNA technology is new, but not unknown. They have been studied for more than a decade.
• mRNA vaccines do not contain a live virus and do not carry a risk of causing disease in the vaccinated person.
• mRNA from the vaccine never enters the nucleus of the cell and does not affect or interact with a person’s DNA.

As far a a general practitioner having a clue about new vaccines....I kinda doubt it as most doctors I know are interested in new info on almost everything I have brought up for decades after the internet made widespread medical info available to the common man.

 

[FWT]

Blah, Blah, Blah...The usual suspects doing their anti Vax, socialism, monologues.

Of course! Usual suspects on both sides. Surely you did not expect otherwise.

 

[nwboater]

Watching a news program in Canada around the topic of "Immunity Passports." The expert is a bio ethicist out of University of Toronto. His take is that immunity passports coming about very soon is also
almost a given.

For border openings sooner than later, this new requirement in my opinion will be a good thing.

[emoji106]

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

When I was in the Navy, you either took all shots or got a court marshal

Read the shipping articles we signed.

I was pretty close. I choose to retire instead Just about lost my life over the Anthrax, 5-part vaccine. Some of my friends were not as lucky.

Never thought I would see this again in my life time.

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

Still counting:

https://alaskawatchman.com/2021/02/26/alaskans-report-two-more-post-covid-vaccine-deaths-to-cdc/#

 

[danderer]

Still counting:

https://alaskawatchman.com/2021/02/26/alaskans-report-two-more-post-covid-vaccine-deaths-to-cdc/#

So people who died some time after getting a vaccine. Unless you have data on causation that is meaningless.

 

[danderer]

C'mon, folks, we are giving away our way of life for a disease with a 99.97% survival rate.

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

500K Covid deaths in the US. If that represents .03% of the US citizens who had Covid, the math works only if:

- Every US citizen had Covid, AND
- There are 1.6 billion US citizens

Nope.

The correct number for fatalities is a bit under 2%. So 60 times more risk than your number.

 

[Benthic2]

From the CDC:
Over 63 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through February 21, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 1,099 reports of death* (0.0015%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA physicians review each case report of death as soon as notified and CDC requests medical records to further assess reports. A review of available clinical information including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records revealed no evidence that vaccination contributed to patient deaths. CDC and FDA will continue to investigate reports of adverse events, including deaths, reported to VAERS.
source:
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

Just think about who has gotten the vaccine so far ?? The very old and infirm. Statistically speaking a certain percentage of that demographic dies everyday. If those 63 million people didn't get the vaccine how many of them would have died anyway ? How many were saved because of the vaccination ?? Correlation is not causation.

 

[SoWhat]

When I was in the Navy, you either took all shots or got a court marshal

Right now they can't mandate a experimental vaccine under emergency usage authorization. Once it goes through formal approval process, it will be a different story.

 

[Nomad Willy]

Can you guys just be team players and take the shot?

You’ll actually have more facts to throw around later.

 

[catalinajack]

And not to mention that 500K deaths in one year is no small number. Deaths by motor vehicle are about 35K per year. How would we react to 15 times that number on our highways. Damn, some folks are just so cavalier about the deaths of others' loved ones.

You're certainly entitled to your own opinion but not your own facts.

500K Covid deaths in the US. If that represents .03% of the US citizens who had Covid, the math works only if:

- Every US citizen had Covid, AND
- There are 1.6 billion US citizens

Nope.

The correct number for fatalities is a bit under 2%. So 60 times more risk than your number.

 

[AZ2Loop]

Another way to be a team player might be to follow ASD's lead, by respecting the decision of others to take the experimental vaccine or not. I might take it. You may choose not to. I think you can make that decision for yourself.

It is funny when pro vaccine people tout the unknown long term effects of what appear to be even mild cases of COVID, as a way to hype the fear of the virus and help justify the need for mass vaccinations. We know even less about the long term effects of the vaccine, but they fail to bring that up. Do I think the vaccines are likely safe? Sure. Probably. Maybe. Time will tell. It really doesn't matter what I think. If you choose to wait, or even not get it, I fully respect that. Maybe you are waiting to see where they actually land on the number of shots, since some of the "science" is now saying a 2nd shot will likely not be enough. Maybe you would like to wait and see how they modify the vaccines for new mutations of the virus, which the science is already suggesting. I may even join you in your decision. The point is, you get to decide for yourself and so do I. To give up that liberty in exchange for safety yields neither liberty or safety.

 

[jgtrucking]

I talked with my son yesterday. He just reenlisted in the Navy. The Navy is not requiring vaccinations, at least in his command. But, requests for leave and travel outside the immediate area of the command are not being approved because, upon return, that sailor would have to quarantine for 14 days. Guess what. Sailors are lining up for their shots. As for employers not being able, by law, I guess, to require vaccinations, what recourse would an employee have if said employer required a vaccination or not get paid? Get a lawyer?

If I owned a business I would require vaccinations. Refuse, you get fired. There are plenty of folks out there looking for work.

Be glad i dont work for you.

 

[jgtrucking]

Why would I care if I tested positive and had been vaccinated? Or, if I, by long chance, got a bit ill. No, sir, I will be fully vaccinated - I have a first appointment on Thursday - by the end of March. Ollie-ollie-in-free for me. I will continue to wear a mask for as long as it is recommended in order to protect the unvaccinated.

Baaaa says the sheep!

 

[jgtrucking]

Can you guys just be team players and take the shot?

You’ll actually have more facts to throw around later.

No shots and no masks!

 

[jgtrucking]

Another way to be a team player might be to follow ASD's lead, by respecting the decision of others to take the experimental vaccine or not. I might take it. You may choose not to. I think you can make that decision for yourself.

It is funny when pro vaccine people tout the unknown long term effects of what appear to be even mild cases of COVID, as a way to hype the fear of the virus and help justify the need for mass vaccinations. We know even less about the long term effects of the vaccine, but they fail to bring that up. Do I think the vaccines are likely safe? Sure. Probably. Maybe. Time will tell. It really doesn't matter what I think. If you choose to wait, or even not get it, I fully respect that. Maybe you are waiting to see where they actually land on the number of shots, since some of the "science" is now saying a 2nd shot will likely not be enough. Maybe you would like to wait and see how they modify the vaccines for new mutations of the virus, which the science is already suggesting. I may even join you in your decision. The point is, you get to decide for yourself and so do I. To give up that liberty in exchange for safety yields neither liberty or safety.

Exactly!!!

 

[Nomad Willy]

Vaccine didn’t cause the 500k deaths.
Covid did. They died from covid.
And many more that almost died survived because they got the shot.
And if you get into that boat I’m sure you’d rather survive than die.

 

[Crankyank]

Any of this article sound familiar?

https://www.anchoragepress.com/colu...cle_5b2b9e1e-6a29-11eb-b54f-2f3e9af252e3.html

Vaccines and masks should not be a political issue.

 

[Alaskan Sea-Duction]

No changing of minds here..

So can we get back to boat issues?

 

[catalinajack]

And I wouldn't care to have you. Another guy will happily take your place.

Be glad i dont work for you.

 

[catalinajack]

Sir, I am quite capable of making informed decisions for myself. This is nothing more than simple risk evaluation. You don't want to get vaccinated? Don't. For those who take that risk, for whatever reasons of their, if they die, I won't mourn your death. I could say that you are one of the sheep, just a different heard.

Baaaa says the sheep!

 

[catalinajack]

How about the original topic, the likelihood that Canada will require proof of vaccination to enter THEIR country. For those who choose not to be vaccinated get ready to be denied entrance to Canada. Their country, their rules. Remember when the US denied entry to folks from China?

 

[FF]

"Their country, their rules. Remember when the US denied entry to folks from China?"

Which proved to be a very very wise step in slowing the China disease.

 

[backinblue]

Or just come to the U.S. across the southern border. No vaccine or passport required.

 

[AZ2Loop]

Or just come to the U.S. across the southern border. No vaccine or passport required.

Of course not, that's just "good science".

The southern border works the same way restaurants do in some areas. You see if you lean a little to the left you are no source of danger. Just come on in and start voting soon. The virus passes you by just a bit to the right, so lean a little left and you'll be fine. It's like when you sit down in a restaurant, there is no virus at that level. It stays up high, like when your standing and walking. Sit down, you're fine, no virus down there. All good science.