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Old 03-29-2015, 01:35 PM   #201
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It is natural for the bottom of the heap to dispise the top of the heap. Dogs do it, crows do it, wolves do it. Hell, probably trees do it.

And it's natural for the bottom half of the heap to come up with all sorts of reasons why they should despise the top half of the heap, as in post 199..

While it makes the bottom half of the heap feel better about themselves, it's about the same thing as offering reasons why we should hate the sky because it's blue.

There are winners and there are losers. Always have been, always will be. The reasons are fun to talk about but it has no effect whatsoever on the reality of the situation.

I've found it to be a lot healthier and happier not to worry about it. If a human figures out how to acquire a bazillion dollars and buy a big boat, great. If I can't figure out how to make a bazillion dollars and buy a big boat, whose fault is that? It's not the fault of the fellow with the bazillion dollars and the big boat. It's my fault.

Mary Chapin Carpenter wrote a wonderful line in one of her songs: "We all have two lives, the one we're given and the one we make."

What you make of your life is on you, not anyone else.
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Old 03-29-2015, 01:47 PM   #202
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The mindset here is 35 to 40' trawler type pleasurecraft.

The vast majority of pleasure boaters may be more like a fisherman w a line and a bobber in some Arkansas lake.

And then re the OP there's the definition of rich. I'm certianly not rich but many of my neighbors probably consider me so. They are more like the fisherman in Arkansas.
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I have one wish and two rules to live by to achieve happiness and although I recognize the importance of financial security, these apply to all, rich or poor:

The wish: health for my family and me.

Rule # 1: From Sheryl Crow's song Soak up the Sun---"it's not having what you want, it's wanting what you have"

I rule #2: From "Dust in the Wind" by Kansas--- "and all your money not another minute buys"
Ok, maybe they are not "rules" but you get the point."

It would really make me happy to find the SOB that stole my shoes at the Palm Beach Boat Show.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:03 PM   #204
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It is natural for the bottom of the heap to dispise the top of the heap. Dogs do it, crows do it, wolves do it. Hell, probably trees do it.

And it's natural for the bottom half of the heap to come up with all sorts of reasons why they should despise the top half of the heap, as in post 199..

While it makes the bottom half of the heap feel better about themselves, it's about the same thing as offering reasons why we should hate the sky because it's blue.

There are winners and there are losers. Always have been, always will be. The reasons are fun to talk about but it has no effect whatsoever on the reality of the situation.

I've found it to be a lot healthier and happier not to worry about it. If a human figures out how to acquire a bazillion dollars and buy a big boat, great. If I can't figure out how to make a bazillion dollars and buy a big boat, whose fault is that? It's not the fault of the fellow with the bazillion dollars and the big boat. It's my fault.

Mary Chapin Carpenter wrote a wonderful line in one of her songs: "We all have two lives, the one we're given and the one we make."


What you make of your life is on you, not anyone else.
Excellent post!!!

Two groups of people really are offensive to me. The group with resources that thinks they're better than others, and the group without resources that thinks the group with with resources must have cheated or done something wrong to get those resources.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:16 PM   #205
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Wifey B: Ok, Marin....what's the song that line is from?
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:25 PM   #206
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Personally:

I do not give a Flying Fck how much money any person is worth... be they fat or be they slim. What I do care about is a person's central core; i.e. ability to be truthful, kind, and ready to participate - in whatever!

If a person is rich due to cheating, stealing, conniving, lying, or other skullduggery means - Then; F Em! If a person is broke due to same and other reasons then too F'n bad. I will not associate with either type person.


I've been up and down financially as well as changes in other life circumstances, while I play my nonstop entrepreneurial lifestyle. None ever got me to alter my core values... happiness always was at hand. That said - it is lots of a good thing when plenty of riches are available to play and to help others with. When down on funds there are certain highlights in life that must be set aside.
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Old 03-29-2015, 09:26 PM   #207
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Personally:

I do not give a Flying Fck how much money any person is worth... be they fat or be they slim. What I do care about is a person's central core; i.e. ability to be truthful, kind, and ready to participate - in whatever!

If a person is rich due to cheating, stealing, conniving, lying, or other skullduggery means - Then; F Em! If a person is broke due to same and other reasons then too F'n bad. I will not associate with either type person.


I've been up and down financially as well as changes in other life circumstances, while I play my nonstop entrepreneurial lifestyle. None ever got me to alter my core values... happiness always was at hand. That said - it is lots of a good thing when plenty of riches are available to play and to help others with. When down on funds there are certain highlights in life that must be set aside.
C'mon Art, stop beating around the bush and tell us how you really feel!
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I begrudge no one their funds, no matter if they are earned or inherited. Show me what sort of person they are and that's what is important. Do they chose to give to charities or to their flesh and blood? It makes no difference to me because it's not my money. And what I do with my money is frankly of no concern to you, nor should it be.

It matters little what you have -- life is about giving, and even among the wealthiest, you have no idea the personal struggles they are enduring. One of the children that went to school with my son was Profoundly (capital P) autistic, yet his daddy made millions. Want to bet that he'd give up that money for a smile from his son? Or how about even recognition? It was so sad... heart-wrenchinig really, and still brings an ache to my soul thinking of the family. No, I wasn't a personal friend -- just a mom who's had her own struggles with children.

Money can't buy health, it can't buy happiness, and it cannot buy friendships. A well-grounded individual, be it a minimum wage burger flipper or a trustifarian (trust fund baby) -- what counts is the inner stuff. How you and I treat folks is lots more important. And those rich folks? They are buying things that enable businesses to stay open, hire employees, donate to churches and charities, fund libraries and museums, and more. And it's their choice. Bless those that raise families who respect and are kind and generous, be they wealthy or not.
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Old 03-29-2015, 10:28 PM   #210
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Wifey B: Ok, Marin....what's the song that line is from?
"The Hard Way."

Actually, I misquoted Mary. The line in her song is "We've got two lives. One we're given and the other one we make."
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Wealth destroys the rich guys life, they turn into self obsessed tyrants. Do this, bring that, go there, come here.....the power of wealth corrupts the nicest of ordinary people.

And on a phycological level rich people send every day worrying what would happen if they lost it all; nobody would then respect them and all their 'bought friends' would avoid them.

The rich and famous have a terrible life; better to live a simple natural life.
Good con job RB. You've got me laughing.

Some years ago I supped at Castlemartin not too far from Dublin, owners have last name O'Reilly. Many happy family members there.
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O/P my friend, this seems to have devolved far from your original question and concerns.

IMHO, as stated by others earlier on. Depending on how much you're willing to sacrifice, age of the boat, repairs and upgrades and equipment, assuming you've done your planning and your financial house is in order, There's absolutely no reason that you can't own and enjoy many years of cruising with your retirement income. There are others doing it on considerably less.

Good luck.

Ok, back to pimp slappin' the rich and famous...
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Old 03-30-2015, 12:56 AM   #213
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Does this mean that the "I hate people with larger boats than me but my hatred is justified because they are unhappy" thread is coming to a close?
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Doubt it.
I'll change that to a "nope".
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Old 03-30-2015, 02:52 AM   #214
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I'm rethinking the question "Is boating for the rich?" on my second visit to the thread.
Maybe it is.

I goes it depends on your perspective. There are some parts of the world where only the "rich" have dugout canoes.

Many people I know wouldn't be able to afford the boat I have. Not the initial purchase price, marina fees, repair bills. Even a tank of fuel may take a substantial percentage of their discretionary spending for many who are struggling with a mortgage, a low paying job, and a young family.

Maybe not for the rich, but for the "comfortable".
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Boaters need lots of disposable income. Disposable income for boating can be increased by spending less on non-boating activities as in the areas of housing, automobiles, clothing (including shoes and handbags), dining, and so on. In my instance, once the kids' college educations were paid for, boating became more affordable.
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Good con job RB. You've got me laughing.

Some years ago I supped at Castlemartin not too far from Dublin, owners have last name O'Reilly. Many happy family members there.
Hey folks, there seems to be some very strong feelings on 'boat' sides of this argument.

One things sure, however much money you've made you can't buy back a wasted life.

Me, start a firefight?

Anyhow, I once had these friends who were socialists (I'm a rightwing conservative) who used to say ' I think the queen should retire and the UK become a republic; she would love to be able to pop down to the shops to buy a new pair of nickers with out all the hassle'. They have a point, all that money and no constitutional power to speak of, and a full protection 'squad' every where she goes.

She lives in a gilded prison.

The big question: who does she invite around for beer and a chat? Other kings and queens? Other super rich people?

Who do you invite onto your superyacht? Just other rich people?

Aha....!
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Huge difference between just rich and just famous or a notable figure.

You can be a bankrupt mass murderer and have the same problems as the Queen with the public and media.

Try and generalize, any forum will shoot your logic full of gaping holes.

Look at any major topic here.....never a consensus, hardly ever a changed mind.
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Old 03-30-2015, 09:55 AM   #218
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I'm rethinking the question "Is boating for the rich?" on my second visit to the thread.
Maybe it is.

I goes it depends on your perspective. There are some parts of the world where only the "rich" have dugout canoes.

Many people I know wouldn't be able to afford the boat I have. Not the initial purchase price, marina fees, repair bills. Even a tank of fuel may take a substantial percentage of their discretionary spending for many who are struggling with a mortgage, a low paying job, and a young family.

Maybe not for the rich, but for the "comfortable".
Most people grow into boating. They may start on a lake or in a protected area, buy a small used boat for $10,000 and use it for their young family to enjoy. May trailer it. Cost of ownership low as they use it 40 hours a year. Then they may buy their first new boat as they get a bit more money, maybe $30-40,000. Then more may come after the kids are through college.

And for the 3.6 million making minimum wage or less even in this country, a boat is the furthest thing from their mind. Nor are the 8.7 million unemployed thinking about boating.
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I started with my daddy in a boat he built himself in or about 1954. 11' plywood with a 1949 2.5HP Evinrude. Used that boat for nigh on 30 years. Still have very fond memories. First "big" boat (34' wood) cost us $8K.
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Talking about boats, size of them and happiness, a little story fits in this thread.

Josevaldo Guerra was a school friend 43 years ago. He lived in the same street asI did and we used to go to high school together. I went to college of Engineering and he went to medical school. We have never seen each other again until February 19th 2015. During Rainha Jannota’s second cruise while we were on a hook in a quiet cove, I heard somebody calling my name clearly.While looking around to the 3 or four sailboats, I heard the second question; “Here at you 2 o’clock. We went to high school together, I am Guerrinha, remember?”.The name was familiar and I looked at a 28’ sailboat moored about 300 yards from me.

There he was looking at us with binoculars, I remember he was 1 or 2 years older than me, but he was fit and now he could easily overcome the 350 lbs. I got in my dinghy and went to visit him. He was in the boat with his wife Leida, both in their early 60’s. After refreshing all memories and talking about the past, I asked him at what point in life he decided to have a boat.

“Josevaldo always loved sailing. In his career as a medical doctor in the rural area of my state, he has always been very far from the ocean. Yet, he used to sail in lakes and rivers in Lasers, Class 470, etc. Then, he started to get fat and he never asked why until his joints started to collapse and be a serious problem, 2 years ago when he reached 312 lbs. By then, he was diagnosed with Arthritis rheumatoid. He decided to retire and 2 weeks later he was confined in a wheel chair.

Several months later, on his way to Germany looking for a way to get out of the chair, while in the airport, he decided to buy a second hand sailboat. He called his older son on the phone and asked him to look for a boat so and so to be waiting for him on his return to Brazil. That was almost 2 years ago…

Well the man bought $24k old sailboat, he sails with his wife slowly, no hurries. He is very happy in a very small budget. Kicked his wheel chair to the garage, is back below 275 lbs and basically lives for his pleasure.

When we want to be happy, we do not need to be rich
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